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RedShark News: Opinion: Which are the best NLEs right now?
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Bill Davis And they stepped aside from the fools mission of engineering in color GRADING tools, because – well – maybe it’s like music, where the number of people who wish to perform is way less than the number of those who wish to compose?
Well for sure that’s where I’m at.
Are we forgetting the price of FCPX?
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[Oliver Peters] “I only have to go back to something I did in 1999 for Walt Disney World Epcot. Do a search for “Illuminations Reflections of Earth” for the complete view (it’s a mix of music, fireworks, video, lasers and lights).
“I saw that show, it was fantastic!
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[Bill Davis] “I think they just clearly saw that inside an NLE, the main necessity is color CORRECTION. Which they can handle with sublime ease with the color board. (“
The Colour board is great, but not adding keyframes to it is a big omission, fortunately fixed by third party plugins
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[Bill Davis] “If there are equivalent aspects to the development of Premier or AVID – then by all means lets bring them to the table and let their stories be told.
Nobody here is putting up barriers to that that I’m aware of.”
Things like Avid’s stereoscopic chops or their all, their encompassing vision for Avid Everywhere, Adobe’s workflow on Gone Girl and Adobe Anywhere (and even the streamlining of the paths between PPro, AE and SpeedGrade) have all been brought up before. Usually though there are enough response in the vein of “that’s too small of a niche to matter these days” or “that’s not applicable to anything I’ll ever do” or “that’s not the type of innovation I’m talking about” that the conversation pretty much slides to a halt.
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[Bill Davis] “Whole websites to visit where nobody cares about the debate – but rather where everyone understands the value of the tool and so can happily focus on investigating it’s many faceted aspects of usefulness. All of which is, I must say, delightful. “
Out of curiosity Bill, what is it you get out of this forum? Do you enjoy the discussions? Is your goal to convert people to X? I guess where I’m going with this is, do you like what this form has to offer or would you rather it be like those other forums you talk about which are populated by people that all use X, are all happy with X, and only want to talk about using X?
Personally I typically enjoy the discussions that go on here. If I want to talk specifically about an NLE (be it X, Avid, Legend, Lightworks, PPro, etc.,) there are many places to do that on the Internet, but I haven’t come across very many places like this forum.
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[Bill Davis] “Could it be as simple as that?”
Yes, I think so.
I don’t believe Apple dropped Color in response to price pressure from a free Resolve, but I do believe that the reasonable idea that someone might withdraw from the market under such circumstances should make us think about what exactly we’re asking the developers of our software to do.
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[James Ewart] “I would say that the negativity I experience towards FCPX (that echoes Legacy) is irrational and has an agenda.”
Sorry should have written “or”
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Out of interest Oliver as you seem to have practical experience of pretty much every bit of software that is mentioned here may I probe a little about your views?
Clearly you are an Avid MC user but also something of a fan of FCPX? (I noted your thoughts on it being an excellent creative offline tool).
In terms of editing applications what do you use for what? By which I mean upon what criteria do you decide to use (or advise the use of) one of the three (or four if you include 7) current main applications for a project? I understand Avid might always be the front runner for media sharing and multi user projects. And I guess for finishing Symphony is perhaps a front runner? Does Adobe have the same capabilities as Symphony in this respect? (Anyone can answer please).
But I think you have also mentioned a liking for Resolve as a potential editing application even though I always have thought of it as a grading tool.
And nobody seems to mention Smoke much as a potential competitor to the Big Three although I recall it being talked about a fair bit a couple of years ago or so. (Looked at it myself in fact but decided it was too complicated for me)
Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Regards
James
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“I don’t believe Apple dropped Color in response to price pressure from a free Resolve, but I do believe that the reasonable idea that someone might withdraw from the market under such circumstances should make us think about what exactly we’re asking the developers of our software to do.”
It could also be as simple as Steve Jobs saying WTF is this? And it was gone. According to rumors, that’s what happened to the mythical FCP 8 / FCP Extreme and the team that was developing it. Hence the return to Randy Ubilos to do something completely different.
Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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Thanks. It took us a year to do the show. Some members of the Disney team worked as long as 4 years on it, starting with the earliest idea stage. It was a very rewarding experience, although it had plenty of challenges along the way. Frankly, I\’m amazed that they haven\’t replaced it yet.
Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com
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