Recreate text titles for uprez to HD?

[Dennis Radeke]

You shouldn’t need to use Red Giant to upres a title. I just took a 1920×1080 title and used the scale option in the effect control panel and increased it 600% (maximum) and it looked pretty sharp in a 5k timeline.

[Jeff Pulera]

Hi Robert,

Before getting into the title situation, I would first ask what your intentions are with the up-convert. Is this mandatory, for instance blending in some legacy SD footage into an otherwise HD production that will be delivered as HD? Or just good intentions, of desiring to make some old footage look better?

If the latter, you might reconsider. The general consensus on these forums, as well as my personal experience, is that you can’t create something you didn’t have to begin with. Consider that the FIRST STEP of the upconvert software is to deinterlace the source, which throws away HALF of the already lacking resolution!

For instance, if your intention is to make a Blu-ray disc, you may find that making a high-quality DVD will look better in the end – let the player do the upconversion – they do a great job these days in hardware.

So about the titles – Dennis’ test may have been skewed as he started with an HD title. An SD title has about 5x less pixels, so it already “coarse” to start with.

I just ran a test – I created a Widescreen DV sequence, created a white on black title, then opened an 1080p sequence and placed that SD title in it and enlarged it and it became quite soft and with some jaggies also – the titles do NOT scale up as FCP might. It is still an SD title and it shows.

So if you do end up moving forward with the upconvert process, I would not do any titling until you are in the HD portion of the edit, so at least the titles are crisp.

Good luck

Jeff Pulera
Safe Harbor Computers

[Robert Withers]

Thanks, guys. Just to clarify, I’m editing an SD sequence that has lots of titles and intertitles mixed in between picture.
This sequence will be inserted as a whole into an HD timeline that has two other HD sequences in it, for release and theater screenings.
I’ve been experimenting with Red Giant for deinterlacing and uprezing the SD sequence including both pictures and titles to put in the HD timeline. So I’m not using RG to specifically uprez the titles; I’m not creating titles to separately drop them into an HD timeline. I’m just wondering if after I do the uprez I’ll have to recreate all the titles in that HD timeline.

I guess experimenting will tell . . . it seems Pr doesn’t create separate media for titles–they’re some kind of effect or code modulation to the project file.

Robert Withers

Independent/personal/avant-garde cinema, New York City

[Jeff Pulera]

You CAN export titles from Premiere, and Import them into other projects. However, a Title created at 720×480 will remain “SD” when imported into an HD sequence. Best advice would be to Upres the SD source clips BEFORE editing them, then edit and title them in the HD sequence, using HD titles and graphics.

Thanks

Jeff Pulera
Safe Harbor Computers

[Robert Withers]

Thanks Jeff. The situation is that I’m deep into a fine cut based on many hours of work from a couple hours of media so it seems not really feasible to go back and deinterlace and uprez each clip again and recut the movie. I will just have to keep going and see what happens to the titles with the uprez. If I have to retype titles I will. It occurs to me though, since the titles are mostly on a separate video track, maybe I’ll try uprezing the picture track only and then re-adding the title clips separately to the HD timeline.

Thanks for your thoughts on this.

Robert Withers

Independent/personal/avant-garde cinema, New York City

[Jeff Pulera]

I’m at a disadvantage in offering workflow suggestions since I’m not sure how the Uprez software works…apparently a plug-in directly on the Premiere timeline? But then is that an SD or HD timeline?

Thanks

Jeff Pulera
Safe Harbor Computers

[Robert Withers]

The Red Giant plugins I’m trying appear as a deinterlace effect and an uprez effect in the effects control panel of Pr. Then you apply them to clips in the timeline as effects. Then a whole lot of rendering goes on.

Robert Withers

Independent/personal/avant-garde cinema, New York City

[Jeff Pulera]

My question is this – at what point do the SD clips become “HD” clips? Are the clips in an SD sequence when the “Uprez” effect is applied? If so, how then do you export as an HD clip? Just trying to wrap my head around the process.

If you could apply the Uprez and then export that timeline as a new HD clip using an intermediate codec, then drop that new HD clip into the existing HD sequence…then copy/paste the text from SD titles into new HD titles and enlarge font…ought to be good to go. There is even a Replace option in Premiere, so you could easily swap out the SD titles for HD right on the timeline, no need to position new titles or add dissolves, use what is there.

Jeff Pulera
Safe Harbor Computers

[Kazu Takeda]

Double click on the title, select “New Title based on current Title”. You have to do each one individually; but it seems the best workaround I know of.




[Jeff Pulera]

And after doing what Kazu said and creating the new title, back on the timeline, right-click original title and select Replace with Clip from Bin and that will update to the new title you just made. Sorry this info is 5 years late ????

Thanks

Jeff Pulera
Safe Harbor Computers