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Reactions to Apples business model
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[Jim Giberti] “We’re seeing an advancement, not a retreat or capitulation.”
I suspect a lot of people are confusing small and modular with less powerful. I can understand that assumption, though I think the two are entirely separate things at this point in time.
What many don’t seem to realize is that we could “essentially” build a MacPro on the head of a pin today if there was a ready and profitable market for it.
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For the past 18 months I have edited on an iMac. a 27inch quad core, using a FW800 RAID for data storage and playback. Craig, do you remember Firewire? There were 4 designed interfaces & speed.
FW400
FW800
FW1600
FW3200Only the first 2 were ever released by Apple. Wouldn’t you think if the last 2 were released it would have been similar at the time to ThunderBolt.
FW was also available on ALL MACs. It still didn’t make me sell my MacPro’s for Mac Minis, or the Mac Cube. Not enough power, no expandability, too integrated. As someone has already said, the motherboard or the main system drive dies. You get to send in your computer for 1-3 weeks of service time.
Nope, it’s time to move on.
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[Bill Davis] ”
Sooner or later all the folks who come here to moan about how Apple has ruined their lives will go to the Premier and Avid boards to piss and moan about how badly they are being treated there – because complaining without proffering constructive alternatives is just a manifestation of the “victim” state of mind, nothing more.
“yes, of course, yet another brilliant, balanced take down of the other side there. bile never more than an inch away.
It’s not a victim state of mind you are seeing Bill; it is voiced criticism in a forum specifically designed to present both it and the opposing view.
That being somewhat the essence of civil discourse.
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I think a lot of people who have been Mac based for many years forget the lack of choice that the Apple environment has. The ‘my way or the highway’ attitude and the secrecy of strategic development are things I find odious.
To then pay a premium for the lack of choice and find strategic changes making two year old hardware on the verge of obsolete is annoying. The Apple trend is fairly obvious and I have declining interest in where they are going.
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[Darren Kelly] ” the motherboard or the main system drive dies. You get to send in your computer for 1-3 weeks of service time.
Nope, it’s time to move on.”
J, I instantly have to buy a PC because their hard drives never crash and the motherboard goes on forever….
People who do think Apple is not doing too bad are constantly accused of drinking the ‘KoolAid’
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[Michael Gissing] “making two year old hardware on the verge of obsolete”
Name one PC manufacturer who prides themselves that they still support any odd 10 year old standard.
Maybe all these arguments are only expressing the frustration of former PC people that got onto the Apple bandwagon because of FCP and now feel their ride was a waste of time because the route has changed. God how beautiful was the time when we were just riding in circles through the same scenery again and again.
Somebody took a new route and the undiscovered lands could be full of ugly, annoying consumers wanting to eat your children. Scary..
Yep lets all stay at home!
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[Darren Kelly] “FW400
FW800”
Doesn’t even come close to Thunderbolt in bandwidth and the ability to sustain that with daisy chaining. This isn’t even close to a comparison.[Darren Kelly] “FW1600
FW3200”
Never supported by anyone in the market. Intel built Thunderbolt support in motherboards.[Darren Kelly] “FW was also available on ALL MACs. “
And somehow that makes it equal to Thunderbolt? You really can’t have a serious understanding of the technology.[Darren Kelly] “It still didn’t make me sell my MacPro’s for Mac Minis, or the Mac Cube. Not enough power, no expandability, too integrated.”
MacMinis and MacBook Airs can have i7 processors (although the GPUs are limited). Non of these replace a high end computer but they ALL can NOW supplement them. Not every workstation needs to be a MacPro but EVERY Mac will support the same Video I/O and high speed storage you can hook to one.
[Darren Kelly] “As someone has already said, the motherboard or the main system drive dies. You get to send in your computer for 1-3 weeks of service time.”
I haven’t had that happen since I started maintaining Macs (including Avids as a facility engineer) in the early 90s. And now if I lost a MacPro I can keep myself going with a MacBook Pro without being out of commission. I’ll be able to pull the I/O and Storage and attach it whatever modern Mac I have available.
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As a video engineer I maintained both Mac and Windows based Avids. I don’t remember there being a significant price difference. PCs give you more flexibility/customization but there’s a cost to that in time and troubleshooting . . . unless you have a VAR do it and there’s a cost to that too. Granted I can use an Osprey card in a Windows box and not a Mac but I’ve just never found things like that a radical advantage. I haven’t found a “lack” of hardware options on the make a factor for some time.
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[Darren Kelly] “For the past 18 months I have edited on an iMac. a 27inch quad core, using a FW800 RAID for data storage and playback. Craig, do you remember Firewire? There were 4 designed interfaces & speed.
FW400
FW800
FW1600
FW3200Only the first 2 were ever released by Apple. Wouldn’t you think if the last 2 were released it would have been similar at the time to ThunderBolt.”
Thunderbolt and FireWire couldnt be more different. FireWire is a storage protocol, thunderbolt is a data/display protocol. That means storage, data devices (such as video capture cards, cards readers, whatever else passes data) AND DISPLAYS can all run in the same pipe. FireWire wasn’t designed for that, since thunderbolt can theoretically run @ 10gigabits per second per channel (there’s two) and can connect more than just storage, why develop FireWire that connects to certain data workflows @3.2 Gigabits a second? If you were Apple, what would you bet your business on?
Also, thunderbolt came from Intel, but collaborated with Apple to bring to market.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/io/thunderbolt/thunderbolt-technology-developer.html
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Woops, sorry. I didn’t see the duplicate info post from, Craig.
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