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  • Re Wrap MTS to mov for premiere pro 6.0.3 Windows 8

    Posted by Jon Carlson on August 16, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Re Wrap MTS to mov for premiere pro 6.0.3 Windows 8

    Windows 8 Professional (x64)
    ASUS SABERTOOTH X79
    3.20 Intel Core i7-3930K
    32 gig of ram
    GeForce GTX 680 2gb ram
    SSD OS and SSD cache
    Raid-10 3.7-TB
    premiere pro 6.0.3
    MTS files from a canon vixia m50
    MXP (24Mbps) 1920 x 1080

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    After shooting a small cooking show Totaling 11 hours I edited it down to around 20 minutes.
    Then realizing that premiere Pro media manager will not create a trimmed project with MTS files, I did some searching and saw “rewrap MTS to MOV” with no trans-coding or loss of resolution. I spent the next four days trying to make this a reality, unfortunately with no success.

    I have tried do a Re Wrap with the following:
    AWPro Client v 2.0
    ffmbc.exe in folder with bat file
    WinRewrap_0.4
    MediaCoder 0.8.24.5542

    The resulting MOV plays fine the following players
    VLC player
    Media player classic
    Windows media player
    Quick-Time player

    All versions of the re wrapped MOV play for about three seconds in the premiere Pro timeline then the video freezes while the audio continues.

    As far as I can see my best solution for archiving is once I have completely edited the project, is to trans-coding to XDCAMHD 50.
    This of course doubles the size of my project with some loss of quality.
    If someone can steer me in the direction of an MTS to MOV re-wrap solution that works in premiere Pro for Windows, I would be forever thankful.

    If not, possibly a solution to trans-code the MTS files to some type of format that will allow premiere Pro’s media manager to trim the project for archiving.

    Thank you
    Jon Carlson

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    MTS source file

    General
    ID : 0 (0x0)
    Complete name : C:UsersjcDesktopConvert mts to mov12.mts
    Format : BDAV
    Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
    File size : 54.5 MiB
    Duration : 18s 990ms
    Overall bit rate mode : Variable
    Overall bit rate : 24.1 Mbps
    Maximum Overall bit rate : 24.0 Mbps

    Video
    ID : 4113 (0x1011)
    Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile : High@L4.0
    Format settings, CABAC : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
    Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=15
    Codec ID : 27
    Duration : 18s 952ms
    Bit rate mode : Variable
    Bit rate : 22.7 Mbps
    Width : 1 920 pixels
    Height : 1 080 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate : 29.970 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Interlaced
    Scan order : Top Field First
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.365
    Stream size : 51.6 MiB (95%)

    Audio
    ID : 4352 (0x1100)
    Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
    Format : AC-3
    Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
    Mode extension : CM (complete main)
    Format settings, Endianness : Big
    Codec ID : 129
    Duration : 19s 40ms
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 256 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L R
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth : 16 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Delay relative to video : -67ms
    Stream size : 595 KiB (1%)

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    ReWraped MOV source file
    General
    Complete name : E:convsion test

    Simon Faris replied 12 years, 8 months ago 3 Members · 7 Replies
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  • Angelo Lorenzo

    August 16, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    After an initial skim, the issue seems to be with audio support.

    AC-3 probably isn’t supported by Quicktime without additional codec purchases.

    Try converting audio to PCM (WAV, basically) with FFMPEG while re-wrapping. Increase in file size shouldn’t kill you.

    AVC is h.264. Project manager won’t trim it without conversion to a different format. Pure rewrapping is kind of moot at this point.

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  • Jon Carlson

    August 17, 2013 at 12:56 am

    Thank you for the quick response, “additional codec purchases” if I can buy an additional codec to solve the issue I would in a second, any idea on which codec to purchase to solve this issue?

    Jon Carlson

  • Angelo Lorenzo

    August 17, 2013 at 1:23 am

    What is your end goal? In my previous post I mentioned that rewrapping to MOV wasn’t needed because even if you converted audio (which I suggest you convert to WAV anyways), the fact that the video is h.264 precludes that you can’t trim your project anyways.

    I would weigh out if converting your project to a codec that can be trimmed is worth the disk space increase in comparison to a non-trimmed project.

    ——————–
    Angelo Lorenzo

    Need to encode ProRes on your Windows PC?
    Introducing ProRes Helper, an awesome little app that makes it possible
    Fallen Empire Digital Production Services – Los Angeles
    RED transcoding, on-set DIT, and RED Epic rental services
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  • Jon Carlson

    August 17, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    That clears it up, Thank you your help.

  • Simon Faris

    August 18, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    Hi did you try saving your PP file then open it in AE and export it there, or use Media Encoder to do it from that PP file?
    I use MTS all the time and export to .mov files all the time. My rig is similar as your except my vid card is Nvidia Q4000, which handles the job much better then a game card with more ram. However you should not have a problem. UNLESS there is a corrupt file in your sequence……

    S.Faris
    https://www.NetCommercial.Net

  • Jon Carlson

    August 24, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    Hi Simon,

    Thank you for your response, I’m shooting with three Canon and 50 cameras and from what I understand because they shoot in AVCHD I cannot use the trim project mode in premiere Pro cs6.

    I’m producing commercials for a small town for several yearly events to be used on a yearly basis, When each event comes around I’ll be changing very little other than the date, I was hoping to maintain the source footage quality.

    The issue I’m having is really one of storage, with the three cameras I’m gathering close to 150 GB per shoot, when the final product is edited down to about two minutes, if the trim function would work I could reduce the project archive size down to 2 GB.

    The best I can come up with is once a project is completed is to encode with an MOV rapper using MPEG-4 codec at 50 MB per second.

    May I ask what codec you’re using to encode your mts files to MOV?

    Thank you
    Jon Carlson
    Jccmedia.com

  • Simon Faris

    August 25, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Hi Jon,

    I see you too use 3 Canons. Not sure if the 50 was supposed to be a 5d? Which if so, I would think the files would then be jpg2000. Also when shooting use 30P unless you want film look of 24p..Then select that. 60 is not going to be used unless you want to play with time remapp. Which AE will use 30 just fine. Or Interpolate the footage in the Comp settings in AE. AE and PP are really a tandem software. I do nothing in PP except for final scene(s) layout. Export using Media Encoder to the format it will be played back on. There is NO one size fits all. You should export for the player….

    You have a small challenge with your source footage for storage. Once you add a codec the artifacts are there. So if you take that raw footage and re-wrap it into a .mov file. Or use a 264 codec. It is there forever. Not that big of a deal pending on what you want to do with it down the road. IE: track something on it to add in After Effects. However Mocha is a powerful tool and pretty forgiving if you have a spot to track to that has good texture to it. (IE: AL’s Hardware banner on the old footage)
    That being stated. One way to take that footage (as I do) is chop away the junk and save it as an uncompressed AVI via A.E this way, I have as you stated, a mpeg with out any other codecs to it.
    The files are big, however storage is cheap. Where you can buy 2-3Tb nowadays for 80.00 US delivered. As you may be aware you can simply plug the drive in as you need it for whatever reason. You do not have to have that drive plugged in 24/7 creating heat in W.S or you can opt for an EXT storage (3.0 usb or Sata3) and plug in as needed for retrieval.
    (IE: Al’s Hardware drive)
    Label the chopped down usable stuff in that drive and add that to the cost overhead for a client. 3TB is a feature movie with effects. BTW. So for your application you could simply add the 80.00 overhead for those drives. Keeping your uncompressed AVI’s available for future edits.
    I hope this LONG explanation was helpful, and on point?
    Regards
    SF

    S.Faris
    https://www.NetCommercial.Net

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