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  • Jeremy Garchow

    May 29, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    [Clint Wardlow] “But a shop planning a future business model might feel a little leary investing lots of dollars if they feel they will remain in a constant state of uncertainty what Apple is going to do next.”

    I guess for me personally, putting that much faith in a company that I have zero control over is a zero sum game.

    We buy computers, they work for a while, not forever.

    Apple is still selling the MacPro today, granted it’s older hardware. But if I were to buy an Apple computer today, it would be Applecared and guaranteed to work by Apple through that Applecare contract.

    Even if I bought a new computer today, it would still be covered for the next three years.

    FCP7 was EOLd almost a year ago, I still use it everyday.

    These are tools, I see them as replaceable, even if it’s going to suck and cost more money.

    I don’t know, there’s plenty of options, if one company makes you feel more secure than the other, go for it.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    May 29, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    [Liam Hall] “Maybe I should send them a note about how I feel about Events or In and outs just to see what they say!”

    🙂

    Not feature requests, I am talking about actual support.

  • Steve Connor

    May 29, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    [David Lawrence] “Which is unfortunately undermined by the single-track UI which is locked to relative time.

    In timeline terms what exactly can’t you do in FCPX that you could do in Legacy, apart from tracks of course. A specific example would be great

    Steve Connor
    “Sometimes it’s fun to poke an angry bear with a stickl”
    Adrenalin Television

  • Clint Wardlow

    May 29, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    [Jeremy Garchow] “I guess for me personally, putting that much faith in a company that I have zero control over is a zero sum game.

    We buy computers, they work for a while, not forever.

    Apple is still selling the MacPro today, granted it’s older hardware. But if I were to buy an Apple computer today, it would be Applecared and guaranteed to work by Apple through that Applecare contract.

    Even if I bought a new computer today, it would still be covered for the next three years.

    FCP7 was EOLd almost a year ago, I still use it everyday.

    These are tools, I see them as replaceable, even if it’s going to suck and cost more money.

    I don’t know, there’s plenty of options, if one company makes you feel more secure than the other, go for it.”

    I am not talking about me personally. I am talking about the perception of Apple by many in the business, that five years ago would have had no qualms about investing heavily in Apple products.
    Now there is a feeling of uncertainty (as demonstrated rather promeniently through out the web) and lack of trust by many former Apple devotees in the pro editing field.

    I really think Apple needs to demonstrate its commitment to the Pro market (not just say they are committed) if they are going to win back many they have lost. And frankly, from a PR stance, they are kind of doing a piss poor job of it IMHO. Folks don’t seem to be convinced.

    I mean really, guys like you in the COW forum seem to do a better job of it than the entire high-paid staff of the Apple PR team.

  • Richard Herd

    May 29, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    [Clint Wardlow] “Stan Brakhage”

    First, I shall watch his films immediately. Thanks!

    Second, you got it exactly: human beings experience time linearly, which is why the exhibition is a linear experience. Not so coincidentally, so is video editing. 🙂

    As a literary interpretation method, all dramas have five basics:
    1. Who is the main character?
    2. What does the main character need?
    3. Who or what tries to stop the main character?
    4. Does the main character get the need?
    5. What does the main character learn?

    I’d also argue these are hardwired into our brains in the process of making meaning. There’s been many noble attempts to abandon structure but alas you said it, [Clint Wardlow] “That is because it is how we experience time. In a linear fashion…so really, unless you magically transport your film to another dimension…it is the only way we can experience anything.”

    Additionally, the editor is the one who literally assembles the stuff in a linear fashion.

  • Richard Herd

    May 29, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    That stuff you posted only confuses linearity and simultaneity. This happens with ballet, opera, theatre, rock concerts, where the wealth of experience can be shifted by subjective points of view. The but the events proceed linearly.

    Regarding X, I just don’t care what NLE anyone uses. However, because this is the Cow and it is essentially a place for learning, I would hate for someone to miss the point of “P,” place editing, that turns off the magnetism/relativism, and also secondary storylines are tracks.

  • Richard Herd

    May 29, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    But that’s a silly request. Asking for an example of what Legacy did that X doesn’t do and then excepting the relevancy.

  • Steve Connor

    May 29, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    [Richard Herd] “But that’s a silly request. Asking for an example of what Legacy did that X doesn’t do and then excepting the relevancy.”

    Do you mean physical tracks? because they have absolutely nothing to do with linear or non-linear stories which is what we’re talking about, so why shouldn’t they be excepted?

    Steve Connor
    “Sometimes it’s fun to poke an angry bear with a stickl”
    Adrenalin Television

  • Craig Seeman

    May 29, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    [Clint Wardlow] “I really think Apple needs to demonstrate its commitment to the Pro market (not just say they are committed) if they are going to win back many they have lost. And frankly, from a PR stance, they are kind of doing a piss poor job of it IMHO. Folks don’t seem to be convinced.”

    I wonder what people are expecting of them.
    They now reveal some FCPX roadmap.
    As I noted previously, the showed up in NYC and not only gave the expected dog an pony show but they had a table and answered questions (obviously not revealing anything more than they have).

    BTW during the presentation they stressed again and again the roadmap is official. I suspect even that they went through handpicked people in dark caves rather than a direct announcement publicly, is something they’re now trying to address.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    May 29, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    [Clint Wardlow] “I am not talking about me personally. I am talking about the perception of Apple by many in the business, that five years ago would have had no qualms about investing heavily in Apple products.
    Now there is a feeling of uncertainty (as demonstrated rather promeniently through out the web) and lack of trust by many former Apple devotees in the pro editing field.”

    And that’s fine. If there’s another company that makes the internet feel more comfortable, then go for it.

    I never bought a MacPro because of PR or a TV ad, I bought them because of OSX, and that they worked.

    [Clint Wardlow] “I really think Apple needs to demonstrate its commitment to the Pro market (not just say they are committed) if they are going to win back many they have lost. And frankly, from a PR stance, they are kind of doing a piss poor job of it IMHO. Folks don’t seem to be convinced.”

    Who do they need to convince except for one user at a time? Seriously, what words could be said that would otherwise “convince” you? I am generally curious as to what mythical spell any company must cast in order to “gain trust” from a customer. When FCP7 was released a couple of years ago, what trust was put in to our hands by Apple?

    [Clint Wardlow] “I mean really, guys like you in the COW forum seem to do a better job of it than the entire high-paid staff of the Apple PR team.”

    I’m not sure what this means.

    I am not an Apple PR rep. It very well could be that all my Apple computers and software could melt at the time of Apple’s choosing whenever Tim Cook presses the huge “delete-all” button.

    I will move on and survive.

    I take it that you have never switched NLEs before?

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