RAW video in Vegas Pro 12

[Norman Black]

I put in a suggestion to Sony with regards to CinemaDNG.

The big problem with Sony “support” for RAW camera files is that they use the Microsoft camera codec pack. No control over raw conversion parameters. You just get a raw with the MS conversion. At least Vegas gives no control when I try my Canon CR2 raw files.

Any raw support, photo and/or video, needs to give you some control over raw conversion params, like RED raw currently in Vegas.

[Dave Haynie]

Yup.. not sure if that’s a Microsoft thing or a Sony thing, but it is limited. With that said, if it’s importing as a 48-bit image, I don’t really need to tweak the raw import anyway… normal color adjustments will work fine. If it’s importing as a 24-bit image, then I need more control.

Given that Sony’s now supporting Lab color images (as of Vegas 12) it’s clear that at least someone there is thinking about still image issues. And still or not, they are going to have to add RAW support into the workflow, one way or another.

And that was kind of my argument for .DNG and CinemaDNG support being built-in. Vegas is directly dealing with raw at that point, as they have to with R3D (Red camera compressed raw format) files today. I don’t expect them to get too involved in the DSLR raw format of the week (a new for at least each new sensor if not each new camera), but there are plenty of tools for turning any other raw format into DNG.

-Dave

[Don Cobble]

Dave – I read the thread on converting footage – its over my head – but if i may ask a more simple ? – I think concerning same type issue. When I bring Jpegs – PNGs – lower thirds – bugs into time line, should I convert them all to a standard type of file if I use them over and over. I edit in cineform codec. I am having incredible long render time and looking to stream line the process for render efficiency and quality? 1 hour time line takes 13 to 14 hours to render using pc#2 computer. I notice it bogs down rendering on some of my lower thirds.
Thank U

PC 1
I7 2.8 Ghz 8GB Ram
Win 7 Pro 64bit OS
PNY Quadro 4000
PC 2
I7 3930K 3.2Ghz
32 MB Ram
Win 7 Pro 64bit OS
PNY Quadro 4000

3-4 TB HD
Vegas 10 64bit & Vegas 11 64Bit & Vegas 12 & Adobe Production Premium CS5.5.2 & Avid Media Composer 5.5

Camera
Sony EX1 shoot in 1920×1080 30P

[Dave Haynie]

Oh, I see your problem… only 32MB on PC#2 🙂 Assuming you mean 32GB… well, sure, an image resize is an image resize. I have the same processor, and can’t really imagine any project I’ve done taking 12 hours on it.

First thing I’d check is my performance. Fire up Task Manager when you’re rending and look carefully at the CPU performance. If you’re not seeing at least 90-95% (or maybe 80-85% with GPU rendering enabled), you have other problems. Make sure your data drive isn’t thrashing… it may be fast, but too many things from the same drive and you’re just seeking all the time. And it can actually be worse with a RAID.

It’s quite possible to slow down based on still graphics. Not what I’d expect if that’s limited to like a lower-thirds graphic or two per frame, but sure… for something I use all the time, couldn’t hurt to pre-render it to an output-sized uncompressed PNG — naturally, with its own alpha (easy for a still), no chroma keying or any crazy stuff.

-Dave

[Don Cobble]

I fixed the 32 MB! DUH! Yes its 32 GB.
Also I do have chroma key in this mix.

I checked the CPU Performance 20-30% only and Ram about 4-5 GB in use!!!

I have to render a (1 hour) 2 camera Chroma Project every week for webcast.
Question: If I edit with Cineform 1920×1080 AVi or Sony MFX and Render out for archive Cineform 1920×1080 High.

does it matter about the graphics format like PNG or Jpeg or should I pre render those out to another format.
I have 2 Chroma back grounds PNGs – PNG Multiple visuals Jpgs
Also lower thirds done with BCC 7.
and a bug PNG

I render any or all of these out as a ???
Since I use these same graphics over and over.

Typical render time at this point for 1 hour project is 14 to 16 Hours.

Thank U

PC 1
I7 2.8 Ghz 8GB Ram
Win 7 Pro 64bit OS
PNY Quadro 4000
PC 2
I7 3930K 3.2Ghz
32 GB Ram
Win 7 Pro 64bit OS
PNY Quadro 4000

3-4 TB HD
Vegas 10 64bit & Vegas 11 64Bit & Vegas 12 & Adobe Production Premium CS5.5.2 & Avid Media Composer 5.5

Camera
Sony EX1 shoot in 1920×1080 30P

[Dave Haynie]

Just for grins, try relocating your images to a different drive, even the C: drive … shouldn’t take long, and you can point Vegas at one of the moved files and it’ll find the rest. Render out to yet another drive… even a USB dongle or SD Card is fine. Now check your rendering time.

Chroma keying can certainly slow things down in a render, but it’s CPU intensive, so that’s not your immediate problem. When you don’t see the CPU hitting close to 100%, that’s a clear indication the CPU isn’t your bottleneck. It should be, since it’s usually pretty easy to ensure you do.

A modern HDD is pretty fast, of course, and most folks don’t run into bandwidth issues. But most native video is around 25Mb/s… Cineform can go 50-100Mb/s depending on settings. So that’s going to consume more HDD performance. Then, add in enough graphics, and you may find your HDD is thrashing… its performance can become dominated by seek time, not linear performance.

-Dave

[Don Cobble]

Dave I appreciate your time – I will try it. Just so you know my configuration as best I can explain it.

My OS is on the Intel 520 SSD –

Media drive for these projects are on a pair of (6g SATA) – WD Black 2TB 64mb cache – Raid 0 – so totaling 4TB.

Render out to drive is 1 WD 2TB 64MB 6g SATA

I have a black-magic design drive speed tester. I tested the media drive just now: Read 220 MBs Write 220 MBs consistent. Using the 5GB Stress for testing(most demanding). It said I can use 1920×1080 10 bit YUV 422. Honestly I don’t know what all that means, Nor is that beyond or Below cineform? I just know that, that was faster than the other drives.

I have Adobe CS5.5 I rendered in there MUCH faster – It used about 50-60% CPU and about 25GB ram. I am just not familiar with adobe and want to avoid crossing over. I like Sony

I will try what you said and see. Thank You again

PC 1
I7 2.8 Ghz 8GB Ram
Win 7 Pro 64bit OS
PNY Quadro 4000
PC 2
I7 3930K 3.2Ghz
32 GB Ram
Win 7 Pro 64bit OS
PNY Quadro 4000

3-4 TB HD
Vegas 10 64bit & Vegas 11 64Bit & Vegas 12 & Adobe Production Premium CS5.5.2 & Avid Media Composer 5.5

Camera
Sony EX1 shoot in 1920×1080 30P

[Don Cobble]

Could it be effects IE: Boris 7 – HITFILM 2 – Newblue jaming me up?

PC 1
I7 2.8 Ghz 8GB Ram
Win 7 Pro 64bit OS
PNY Quadro 4000
PC 2
I7 3930K 3.2Ghz
32 GB Ram
Win 7 Pro 64bit OS
PNY Quadro 4000

3-4 TB HD
Vegas 10 64bit & Vegas 11 64Bit & Vegas 12 & Adobe Production Premium CS5.5.2 & Avid Media Composer 5.5

Camera
Sony EX1 shoot in 1920×1080 30P

[Dave Haynie]

You can see the effect of a bogus plug-in, too. When you’re looking at your performance monitor at 20% or whatever, see how it’s balanced across your CPU cores. Plug-ins want CPU — they should help, along with Vegas’s compositing engine and the output rendering CODEC to eat up anything you can throw at them. BUT… if you have one plug-in that’s somehow blocking multithreading (not sure that’s even still possible, but it’s easy to see)… you’ll have one core pegged, and the others basically doing nothing, during your render. If you see something like that, a big imbalance in CPU core use, it could be an evil plug-in.

-Dave

[Don Cobble]

Dave I didn’t see one pegged, but I did see one almost not working compared to the others? would that be the same? I have used Hitfilm 2, Newblue, and Boris and some sony I think all my NewBlue are GPU ACCel, Boris is from Vegas 11 dont know if they are GPU and have no clue about Hitfilm? are all of Sonys GPU Acc?

PC 1
I7 2.8 Ghz 8GB Ram
Win 7 Pro 64bit OS
PNY Quadro 4000
PC 2
I7 3930K 3.2Ghz
32 GB Ram
Win 7 Pro 64bit OS
PNY Quadro 4000

3-4 TB HD
Vegas 10 64bit & Vegas 11 64Bit & Vegas 12 & Adobe Production Premium CS5.5.2 & Avid Media Composer 5.5

Camera
Sony EX1 shoot in 1920×1080 30P