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Walter Biscardi
April 15, 2008 at 12:24 pm[David Roth Weiss] “What do you think about announcement of the Matrox MXO2 for $1595. It sounds like a mini IOHD for half the price.”
Not sure, never been a fan of Matrox in the past and AJA’s stuff just works. Definitely a lot more connectivity on the Io HD than this, but if you want something smaller for your laptop, this might work.
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Walter Biscardi
April 15, 2008 at 1:23 pm[Russell Lasson] “But then I discovered that RED is showing Color in there booth and they were grading R3D files natively!”
Yep, it looks like FCP will still edit with Quicktime reference files and Color, which is NOT reliant on Quicktime like FCP is, will be able to grade the native R3D files. This is based on Ted Schilowitz’s comments in AJA’s Press Release.
There is no question that AJA tools are the best choice for Final Cut Pro editors looking to play out RED Native files to professional monitors via QuickTime reference movies for both offline editorial and online editing/finishing,”
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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Keith Koby
April 15, 2008 at 3:44 pmI’m very excited about the Broadcast Videohub and the addition of mini-converters from bmd. The guys in the router booths couldn’t believe that bmd released such a big router at that price point (15k). And they finally included a ref input so that the device would re-clock to your house ref.
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Aaron Neitz
April 15, 2008 at 7:38 pmBut don’t the QT reference files suffer from half quality debayer and no access to noise filters like you would have in RedCine?
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Walter Biscardi
April 15, 2008 at 8:37 pm[Aaron Neitz] “But don’t the QT reference files suffer from half quality debayer and no access to noise filters like you would have in RedCine?”
That’s why you only edit in FCP with the reference files. You finish the final color grade in Color. Then after that, i’m not really sure. I supposed you would then output a DPX sequence to take elsewhere to finish.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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Dan Riley
April 15, 2008 at 11:01 pmDo they have something BETWEEN the 12 input and the new 72 input?
Geez. We need something around 16 inputs and was trying to
figure out how we could make their 12 input system work. But 72 inputs
at $15k, that just went over our budget.Dan
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Keith Koby
April 15, 2008 at 11:40 pmthat’s 6 times the inputs at 3 times the price!
Keith Koby
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Dan Riley
April 16, 2008 at 3:25 amSmall production facilities with two or three suites don’t need 72
inputs for $15k, in my experience. And most of these
places don’t even go for routing switchers exactly because of
the $15k price. So the $5k at 12 inputs was nice but just a tad
less than many of us need, which is around 20×20.
So the Blackmagic product may be a bargain to you but it’s a
bit over many of the small facility’s budget for moving video
around. The thing is, this will make a customer like me
look around at what else is out there, when if Blackmagic
had just made a middle unit, around 30×30 for around $8k,
I wouldn’t have thought twice. I’d just order it.My two cents.
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Walter Biscardi
April 16, 2008 at 11:55 am[Dan Riley] “Small production facilities with two or three suites don’t need 72
inputs for $15k, in my experience. And most of these
places don’t even go for routing switchers exactly because of
the $15k price.”Why do you need a routing switcher at all for a small facility of 5 suites or less? We have three suites all hooked up via HD-SDI patch panels. Yep, good old fashioned patch panels. Total price was just at or under $1,000 for 72 inputs each for audio and video. Yeah, somebody actually has to get up from their chair to patch the video and audio when necessary, but I’ll take that over $15k or $8k any day. Heck even throw in the 4,200 feet of cable that’s running through this place and I’m pretty sure we’re under $3,500 total for the patch panels and cables.
I’ll put that $15k towards some new monitors or editing systems, not the router.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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Keith Koby
April 17, 2008 at 12:18 amI can see where you’re coming from. I got a larger house now and it is necessary. Routing, especially through the videohub interface is simple. Patching is difficult for some creatives. A good quarter of the tickets we get boil down to patches not put in the right way. For a mid-sized place like mine, you still got to work on a budget. I would end up spending 6 or 7 times the cost of a broadcast videohub, even more to put a full router in with the same number of i/os.
However, even for your smaller place, it is necessary to sometimes route the same signal multiple places at the same time if you are doing the job the right way. You may be capturing, monitoring and putting the same signal into a scope for example. That gets difficult if you’re trying to patch one signal out of a deck and then to a cpu and then to a monitor and then to a scope etc. 5k for a 12 x 24 hdsdi router is still a killer deal no matter how you slice it.
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