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Quicktime Movies Not Playing Back Properly in Final Cut Pro
Preface:
These specific Quicktime Movies are Not Playing Back Properly in Final Cut Pro.
Others play back fine.
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The system consists of:
Final Cut Pro Version 5.1.4
MacBook Pro (Santa Rosa 2.4 gHz Intel dual core, 4 gb ram)
OS 10.4.11
Booted via 800 FW from this external HD:
NewerTech 500 gb RAID, 7200 rpm (the one currently from OWC)Quicktime version 7.2.0
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Here is a brief explanation of the situation.
We have some video of at art exhibition,
and we are making a short video piece of it,
with an audio Soundscape.The footage was shot with a Panasonic AG-DVX100B,
(It looks fine, no problems, on it’s own monitor.)I Captured the video with a Panasonic AG-DVX100A (from his DV tapes),
Into Final Cut.Camera guy recalls that he shot at 24p advanced,
letterboxed (although he shot a few things in square format).My Capture settings in Final Cut Pro were 29.97 fps.
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As per:https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/122/858160
https://www.lafcpug.org/pana_cinetools.html
__My Sequence Settings were:
Frame Size 720 x 480 NTSC DV (3:2)
Pixel Aspect Radio: NTSC – CCIR 601 / DV (… (unchecked Anamorphic box)
Editing TImebase: 29.97
The clips, after Capture,
One at a time,I put into the timeline of that sequence (once again it was 29.98),
And then opened the clip in Cinema Tools:I found the first Interlaced frame,
Reversed Telecine of it,
Created a new file,
Found the A frame of that file,
A set it’s Conform Frame Rate to 23.98.Then opened that QT file in a New Final Cut Pro Sequence
set to the NTSC 48 kHz – 23:98 Audio/Video Settings._____
The good news is:
All traces of Interlacing were eliminated through this process . . .
(from the original viewing of the clip, before the Cinema Tools procedure),But the bad news . . .
Unfortunately, in these settings, the clip still played back with notable artifacts in Final Cut Pro.
Those artifacts were like visual tracers (horizontal always) on the screen.
They are not of the frequency that would indicate a consistent frame rate problem.
Intermittent.
Some periods, not present.
Other periods, ongoing for a period of time.(There are no alerts triggered from the program)
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And now for the bizarre part:
If I open that same QT file in Quicktime,
It plays perfectly. No problem.Resaving, changing the name, then again taking it back into Final Cut –
Same problems as before.But we need it to work within Final Cut Pro . . .
Any guidance anyone could offer would be very gratefully appreciated !
I’ve searched for information on this situation, but haven’t found it anywhere yet.
Thanks most sincerely for your help !
Howard Ferguson
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2 Replies
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The 24pA (advanced) writes 24 frames across 30 frames by writing fields at a 2-3-3-2 pattern. The reverse telecine in cinema tools undoes the result of telecine by changed 30 frames to 24 based on a 2-3-2-3 field pattern.
The tool to deal with the 24pA format is not Cinema Tools, it is the “remove advanced pulldown” feature within Final Cut. To get info on this, go to the user manual in FCP (under help menu) and search on “remove advanced pulldown”.
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In a message dated 1/23/09 7:22:57 AM, forums@creativecow.net writes:
User Name: Steven GonzalesThe 24pA (advanced) writes 24 frames across 30 frames by writing fields at a 2-3-3-2 pattern. The reverse telecine in cinema tools undoes the result of telecine by changed 30 frames to 24 based on a 2-3-2-3 field pattern.
The tool to deal with the 24pA format is not Cinema Tools, it is the “remove advanced pulldown” feature within Final Cut. To get info on this, go to the user manual in FCP (under help menu) and search on “remove advanced pulldown”.
Hi Steven,
Thanks for your response.
I’m sending you this response, even though so far-
I didn’t have time to do much studying on this process, but in my testing of it,
My results were of significantly lesser quality,
than the Cinema Tools process I described,
and used previously.Many if not most of the files, that I’m working with, have starting Timecodes that are not Zero.
I’m not sure if that is a part of the issue in this situation.Here’s a description of my Capture Process from the DVX100a:
(Every clip has a Timecode dead area around it,
where the DVX100a camera monitor just sits still,
locked on a blue screen at the same Timecode position,
then it picks up again, with it’s timecode position advanced to the next location,
when the next film clip is arrived at, on the camera’s VCR tape.Final Cut Pro’s Capture Now setting did a brilliant job of jockying the camera VCR around to catch the absolute beginning of available footage of each filmed section from the camera, through it’s remote control of the camera VCR.
It captured each clip, beginning to end of the taped selections, creating a new clip for each of them. I just sat back and watched in all happening. From the beginning to the end of that process.
The result was, again, that the A frames of the telecine were mostly not on Zeroes.
That’s an important adjustment that I had to make in Cinema Tools,
in my previously described procedures.)In my limited testing of the Final Cut Tools-
The Remove Advanced Pulldown in the Tools Menu had this error message:File does not contain Frames encoded using Advanced Pulldown.
In either the 30 fps version of the file,
or the 24 fps version of the file,
that was created
After accomplishing the Cinema Tools Reverse Telecine process, under that same menu.Also, there is no prompt to create a New File,
and there is no Undo for the process.
So it seems to have wiped out the original file in the process.This process resulted in an image that still showed significant jaggedy interleaving artifacts.
I’d be happy to learn more about this function within Final Cut Pro.
It would be better if it’s possible to accomplish these processes more simply within Final Cut,
Without pulling up Cinema Tools.Thank you very much for taking the time to think about this for me !
I look forward to any and all further information !Howard Ferguson
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