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  • Questions before purchasing…

    Posted by David Barry on August 28, 2012 at 4:39 am

    I want to pull the trigger and purchase a BMCC… but I have some questions that I have not found basic answers for.

    1. I currently have a mac pro and a macbook pro. My Mac Pro is equipped with; 2 x 3 Ghz Dual Core Intel Xeon, 4 GB 667 Mhz DDR2 FB-DIMM RAM, Running OSX 10.6.8.
    I have a fiber channel card with a 7TB raid, A Black Magic Multibridge Extreme IO, AND ATI Radeon HD 5770 PCIe video card. I am still running FCP Studio 2 6.06.
    My Macbook Pro is a 2.8GHZ Core 2 Duo with 4 GB RAM, also running OSX 10.6.8, and FCP Studio 2 6.06.

    WIll my machines support the BMCC? I know I need a thunderbolt adapter or card, and I realize that working with 2.5K RAW images will be clunky at times. But my goal is to create a work flow where I can use the footage as PRO REZ where possible, and use DaVinci to color grade RAW images when projects dictate that it needs to be done, and when the post time is available. I would then work in a telecine way and color my selects, and export them to Pro Rez and then do my editing in FCP.

    I do not want to update to FCPX yet, as there are still too many things still not supported that I need in my work flow.

    Will BMCC work with my systems, and if not, can I upgrade my existing hardware, or do I need new machines entirely?

    Please help with any info you can share….

    db

    db

    Margus Voll replied 11 years, 7 months ago 8 Members · 18 Replies
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  • Sareesh Sudhakaran

    August 28, 2012 at 4:52 am

    Your hard drive system isn’t going to be the bottleneck, nor is your processor.

    DNG files are easier to work with than AVCHD or H.264, and you shouldn’t face a major hit performance-wise.

    I would upgrade the RAM to 8 GB though, since RAW processing requires as much RAM as you can throw at it.

    Take a good look at Da Vinci’s hardware configuration guide. That should answer a lot of your questions.

    If you need help rigging it, I’ve written a guide here.

    Hope this helps.

    https://wolfcrow.com/blog/ – Workflow information and support for filmmakers, photographers, audiographers and videographers.

  • Deleted User

    August 28, 2012 at 5:49 am

    As Sareesh says, your Mac Pro is fast enough to edit RAW CinemaDNG files, but double-check BMD’s info about graphic card requirements for Resolve. If you do need a new graphics card, a basic one that will work with Resolve is relatively inexpensive.

    Of course if you record ProRes 422 HQ then that will work great with your system.

    However, if your MacBook Pro is an older model (especially one that does not have a Thunderbolt port) there’s a chance its graphics card may not work with resolve. Again, check BMD’s documentation.

    My 2 yr. old MacBook Pro 17″ (2.66GHz i7, no T-Bolt) can’t run Resolve because its graphics card isn’t compatible. Not the end of the world because I’ll be shooting ProRes 422 HQ in the BMCC’s “Film” mode for most projects. (I use FCP 7.0.3). Reportedly very high quality results @ 1/5th the file size & data rate of RAW CinemaDNG. We shall see, soon I hope! Cheers.

    https://www.peterdv.com

  • David Barry

    August 28, 2012 at 6:43 am

    Thank you both for your input. I live and work on Maui in Hawaii, and I am very excited about the camera. I think it will be a great next camera for me as I currently work with an HVX200. I will be upgrading my RAM, and I will look into what I can do about a thunderbolt adapter or card for my Mac Pro.

    db

  • David Barry

    August 28, 2012 at 7:25 am

    one more question… do I have to use thunderbolt connection to access the footage on the camera, or can I take the SSD drive out and put that into an SSD drive reader and use eSATA to access the footage? Because I cannot find a thunderbolt card, or thunderbolt adapter cable as of yet, and neither of my machines have a thunderbolt port.

    db

  • Alex Gerulaitis

    August 28, 2012 at 7:30 am

    eSATA is fine – any way you can read that SSD is fine; Thunderbolt is not necessary for that purpose, and you’re right, there aren’t any add-on Thunderbolt adapters. It’s either built-in or you can’t have it.

    Alex Gerulaitis
    Systems Integrator
    DV411 – Los Angeles, CA

  • Matthew Sonnenfeld

    August 28, 2012 at 8:07 am

    Unfortunately there are no Thunderbolt adapters or PCIe cards as Thunderbolt requires that it is part of the motherboard largely due to its carrying of DisplayPort protocol. In this way it must be designed in tandem with an integrated graphics processor or even a discreet graphics processor thats on the motherboard, IE a laptop. The Thunderbolt on desktop motherboards has been designed with workarounds. I’m not sure exactly how it’s done in that case but I’m sure a quick google will tell you. Either way I know there are no Thumderbolt expansion cards and time will tell if there will be.

    eSATA is actually what BMD recommends for transfers. A SATA 3 card and reader will work quite well.

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  • Sareesh Sudhakaran

    August 28, 2012 at 8:31 am

    Yes, you can use an SSD card reader – mac formatted, of course.

    https://wolfcrow.com/blog/ – Workflow information and support for filmmakers, photographers, audiographers and videographers.

  • Eric Santiago

    August 28, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    Heck if your Mac Pro is accessible, it takes a min to shut it down, remove a sled and add and reboot.
    Sure there is some danger involved but I do it so many times day to day at work (for other reasons) that its the norm.
    Cant wait for my BMD version of the REDMAG 1.8 😉

  • Marco Solorio

    August 28, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    For my Cinema Camera, I’ve been using this Vantec drive dock that accepts SSD drives that has USB, FireWire 800, and eSata ports on the back. The FireWire 800 port is quite fast if you don’t have an eSata port. It’s a bit plasticy, but it’s been working great so far.

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  • Deleted User

    August 28, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    The Voyager-Q also gets good reviews. It’s not bus powered, but has multiple ports including eSATA-3:
    https://www.newertech.com/products/voyagerq.php

    Since I wanted a relatively fast, bus-powered solution for my 2 yr. old MBP (no T-Bolt) that can operate completely off the laptop’s battery when necessary, I bought a small 2.5″ drive enclosure, leave its outer case off, slide the SSD in & out as needed, and use its eSATA-2 connection with a Sonnet dual-port eSATA-3 ExpressCard34 adapter. Works fine:
    https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/MEQM0GBK/
    https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Sonnet%20Technologies/SATA6PRO2E34/

    Less-expensive ExpressCard34 eSATA single-port adapters are available from Sonnet & other vendors.

    I posted some real-world data transfer times for my 2 yr. old MBP, using various SSD & HDD devices, on BMD’s forum:
    https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?p=1169&sid=a0f7d760fc112eb4c5352ed26e77e267#p1169

    Cheers.

    https://www.peterdv.com

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