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Question of ethics
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The reason that everybody thinks you are currently slacking off is bucause you actualy asked if it was ok to do so.
There are no “technical solutions” to your “artistic problems”.
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OK, let me start over. When we give a client a proposal, most of the time, it is “tiered” to different dollar levels. We put out what they are willing to pay for. If they can’t afford the great stuff, we sell em the good stuff. Fair is fair. You need to discuss this with your employer. Make sure that it’s a fair price for the job being done and the person doing the job. He might be thinking that you are an overachiever and actually feel a bit guilty. On the other hand, he might be thinking that he is getting an incredible deal and plans to keep using you forever.
My car analogy is this: How much do you pay the best Mercedes mechanic in town to change a tire on a 78 junker?
If the application doesn’t match the worker, something needs to be adjusted.
But, as Walter or someone else said, be careful what you post, the COW has zillions of lurkers. Some of the most unlikely people have said to me “Hey, I saw your post on the COW…”.
Hope this cleared up any confusion about my answer.
Steve Wargo
Tempe, Arizona
It’s a dry heat!Sony HDCAM F-900 & HDW-2000/1 deck
5 Final Cut (not quite PRO) systems
Sony HVR-M25 HDV deck
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Aaron, perhaps you are over-reacting to Bob’s tone. You shouldn’t. Bob is exceptionally forthright with his advice, brusque or undiplomatic at times, but he’s a 100 percent straight shooter and while he may be off-putting to some, I have never caught him being wrong about anything yet.
Denise and I don’t know you, we just gave our best honest responses to the question you posed. Again, not personal. The title of the thread should be “Work Ethic Question”, that’s what it really boiled down to.
If you average out the language, pretty much everyone’s post to you has been on the exact same wavelength here. This is not an EST therapy office, nobody’s trying to beat up on you or make you small. Every opinion given was given as a way to offer help and counsel, counsel you asked for.
But please consider: if one person tells you something you don’t like, well, it is easy enough to shrug that off, and you might very well be right to do so.
When over a dozen well-qualified people, from every walk of life, that don’t know you from Adam, take time out of their day to all consistently tell you, each in their own style, the same thing, you still have the right to shrug it all off. But perhaps the better course is to just nod, take the advice in the spirit in which it was given, and take a break to go cogitate on it. Once in a while, everybody is wrong. But the good news is you can change, when you want to. You have your answer for this question, it may not be productive to keep coming back at it from another angle.
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[Aaron Cadieux] “Some (not all) of the first responses to my original question immediately became personal shots. Go back and read my first post, and then read the immediate responses. You can’t tell me they were personal.”
Aaron, you are likely referring to Bob Zelin’s post. Don’t take it personally –all of his posts are like that. Once you get to know Bob’s personality it’s actually quite funny and refreshing to read his posts.
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Flowmotion Media
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You have been “Zelinized”. Please don’t take it personally. He treats everyone like that. It makes the rest of us seem tepid.
Steve Wargo
Tempe, Arizona
It’s a dry heat!Sony HDCAM F-900 & HDW-2000/1 deck
5 Final Cut (not quite PRO) systems
Sony HVR-M25 HDV deck
2-Sony EX-1 HD . -
ask Sisyphus, the Proletariat of the Gods:
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Speaking as a ‘worker bee’ I pretty much agree w/all the advice given to you Aaron by various people already. You started a thread w/a poorly worded posted that made it sound like you were looking for people to tell you that it’s okay to slack-off and it blew up in your face. Learn and move on. B*tch sessions are better had at a bar than on the internet. 😉
-A
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Ok. I went back and read your original post.
You are an idiot for having posted it! That’s not personal… it’s business!
Any employer reading this thread has now been warned about what kind of employee you’d be.
Good luck with the rest of your career.Mark
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Aaron,
let me tell you a little story. In 1980, I used to work for National Video Center in New York City as a video maintenance tech. All I wanted to do was to WORK HARD. I wansn’t asking for a raise, I just wanted to do good work, and WORK HARD. But it was more important for the “hire ups” to give me orders, and have me follow those orders, than working hard. I would get in trouble (when I was bored and had nothing to do) when I would walk around the plant, and find that something was broken, or someone needed help with a piece of equipment. And do you know what, I got IN TROUBLE for doing this, and I eventually got FIRED from National Video Center, becuase “I didn’t fit in”, because I wanted to WORK HARD, and NOT take a lunch break, but because the “hire ups” didn’t like this, I got fired. I was told numerous times to TAKE LUNCH, when I was working.Your “hire ups” are playing video games while you are working hard.
Well, National Video Center went out of business, and perhaps your company will go out of business, because only YOU are working hard, while “they” are screwing around. I can tell you from experience, that while you are WORKING HARD, your bosses daughter is buying $300 jeans, and getting her first new car, when that money should be going to you. I know this is happening. I observed this over and over again in my career, and it made me angry. The bosses family will ALWAYS be more important than you, and what you deserve. This is why you should ALWAYS work hard (as you are now), and ALWAYS look out for yourself. Learn what you can, and get another job. You have responded a zillion times to this post, when you could have been looking for another job. Believe me, if you are IT savvy, and you do what you say – there are other jobs out there for you. As a business owner, every day is “looking for another job”. No matter what anyone says on this forum, your boss is not going to give you the money you deserve. End of story. Find another job.Bob Zelin
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Do what you love, love what you do.
Nice post Bob, my first gig I was paid $5/hr for no more than 20 hours directing morning news where I directed, switched a Grass 300, ran Chyron and built graphics on the Ampex DVE/Stillstore. You couldn’t slack because the news goes on. I actually worked about 60 hours because I “got into trouble” like Bob. I learned cameras, audio, graphics – I produced most of the commercials and really never got paid (easy when you live at home). But I just love this business! I left after 16 months because I was one of 2 people that got a 50-cent raise. Seriously, $0.50. But I learned none the less.
Also keep in mind that what anybody is saying here is probably read by their employees, just as employees posts are probably read by bosses.
And finally, on the note about bosses, here’s a quip from my friend’s blog yesterday. He’s now (for 4 weeks) the CEO of a small company that outsources everything at the moment; he was formerly in marketing VP positions. Here’s what he says about becoming the “boss”:
I’m going to start this off with a note to my ex-bosses: I’m sorry.
For much of my career, I’ve had the privilege of operating at a level where I reported to Presidents and CEOs. And I now realize that mostly I was not sufficiently aware of just how much they were dealing with. I pushed and prodded and pestered to get Marketing addressed (probably not a bad thing – my job after all), but boy did I just not realize how many other things were swirling around. So to my former bosses… I apologize for that.
What makes me say that?
Well, I’m getting the full brunt of it myself. First we start with the S.O.B. – standard operational bull’dung’. (The Blake Edwards movie of that name is, incidentally, one of his best and most underappreciated efforts IMHO). I’m juggling cash flow, inventory turns, vendors, shipping expense and all the usual suspects of day-to-day operation.
On top of that, add the strategic. How do we get the message out and grow faster? How do we convey the product clearly and quickly to consumers? What’s the value proposition we offer and how do we express it? What should we do with packaging? New product? and, oh yeah… marketing.
I thought that pretty much summed up, at least what I tend to deal with, much of what a boss really handles. And someone earlier posted the financial risks and others. It’s a 24-hour mind thing.
Time to go make pretty pictures,
Steve
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