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  • Question about DaVinci Parade/WFM scopes

    Posted by Fabio Cormack on July 30, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    Dear friends,

    The scale on Davinci Parade/WFM scopes is from 0 to 1023, with is confusing me as I’m used to the 0-100 IRE scale.

    I search on the manual/forum/web for more information, but I couldn’t find any way to understand this relation (I learned that 0-1023 are the values for a 10-bit processing, but I’m still confused about the practical use of this information)

    Please what would be the range inside 0-1023 which corresponds to 0-100?

    Also what are the maximum on the 0-1023 scale values before crushing the shadows/ clipping the highlights?

    Would be a way to change this scale to IRE?

    Thanks in advance

    Fabio Cormack
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    Ugonna Igweatu replied 14 years, 4 months ago 5 Members · 7 Replies
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  • David Smith

    July 31, 2011 at 8:21 am

    I am also very confused by the 1023 scale. I’m having film scanned to 10 bit RGB LOG DPX files. I believe 700 is my 100 percent white, but I can go way past it without clipping – but – past 700 the image looks too contrasty.

    Also if 700 is my legal white limit – there is no easy to see limit line for 700. So I have to estimate mu top white.

    I have also tried to find a way to change the scale to something else – but been unable to find any other setting.

    I’m glad you asked this question. It is on my list of questions as a learn Resolve and color grading.

  • Rona Gales

    July 31, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    The scale is actually 100 (percent) IRE- 700 mV (1023) and miss represented. Not to worry!!

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  • Fabio Cormack

    August 1, 2011 at 12:46 am

    I found this information on the web, does it applies to DaVinci?

    ” In order to get a resulting clip with a range between 0 and 1023, a 10 bits video format needs to be selected as the transcode’s format.

    In YCC 709 (itu.709 is the norm for HD televisions, except some very very old ones that followed SMPTE 240), black is mapped to 16/64 and white to 235/940 in 8/10 bits. Values below 64 (10 bits) are called super black and above 940 super white. The “super” colors are mainly used for color correction as they won’t be noticeable on the television.”

    So, It makes me think about the DV waveform scale:

    This would mean legal video should be kept inside 64-940 range?

    Also, I read the top and bottom 5 points of the 0-1023 10-bit scale are reserved for data only, no Image data is recorded… This would be true for the DV WFM scale?

    Fabio Cormack
    Davinci 8 – Tangent Wave – Decklink HD Extreme 3D+
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    Rio de Janeiro – Brazil

  • David Smith

    August 1, 2011 at 1:22 am

    When I have my film scanned I can see on the waveform the range of data falls between 0-700 (more realistically 100-600). But 700 is the max for the scale (I think, I will check this week – I’m pretty sure it is though)

    When I look at the scope of my Resolve the data is still in the same range – although I have a lot more head room to 1023.

    I’m not sure why my data range is not converting to the wider numerical range in Resolve.

    Is the 0-1023 a Resolve only thing?

  • Sascha Haber

    August 1, 2011 at 8:21 am

    You scanned media is probably logarithmic .
    The waveform you are looking to is probably set to scale from 100 to 700 .
    Resolve s scope is unscaled and video so your log material will looked washed out and it values are between 100 and 700.
    Next step could be to load an input Log2Lin Lut and activate “show on scopes” and then I guess it will fill the scale and “look better”

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  • David Smith

    August 1, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    Do I set that LUT under the LUT tab in the config window? I looked in all the Input Lookup tables but did not see a LOG2LIN LUT…. or am I looking for a specific one?

    Or do I need to install or create one?

  • Ugonna Igweatu

    December 19, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    According to The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction:

    Pure white is:

    100 IRE on a RGB Waveform

    255 IRE in RGB color space at 8bit

    235 IRE in video color space at 8bit

    ****1023 IRE in RGB color space at 10bit****

    940 IRE in video color space at 10bit

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