Quality difference and workflow issues with XDCAM?

[Jurriaan Van der kamp]

if you want the future and if you are a pro you should never go with fcp again. Apple cares about making money now. You should leave a platform that doesnt care about there customers.
I chose to learn avid becouse they seem to be realy suportive to theire users.
Fcp is in to prosumers now and they left all the pros in the cold. They only care about profit.
Good luck with your choice

[Olly Lawer]

Hmm. I think there is a lot of truth in what you said, but didn’t they listen to all the pro’s and add in a range of features? Surely they wouldn’t of done that if they didn’t care?

I think they made a mistake first time round, but the reviews are pretty good of 10.0.3

I think in a lot of ways they were just being Apple and bringing the future (as they saw it) to a NLE program before anyone else. There mistake was aiming it totally at prosumers.

Hadn’t considered Avid tho so will take a look.

Olly Lawer

[Steve Connor]

[jurriaan van der kamp] “if you want the future and if you are a pro you should never go with fcp again. Apple cares about making money now. You should leave a platform that doesnt care about there customers.
I chose to learn avid becouse they seem to be realy suportive to theire users.
Fcp is in to prosumers now and they left all the pros in the cold. They only care about profit.
Good luck with your choice”

Not exactly a helpful answer to the OP is it?

Steve Connor
“FCPX Agitator”
Adrenalin Television

[Steve Connor]

[Olly Lawer] “1. Does this significantly slow up workflow having to wrap clips?”

It can do, depending on what type of XDCam you use, XDCam 422 is slow to rewrap if you use the camera to feed in, it’s almost realtime. I’ve got used to it over the years, but I’d much rather it was native!

[Olly Lawer] “2. Does it lower the quality or are the clips uncompressed Quicktime?”

Not at all, it’s not a re-encode, it just changes the wrapper that the encode file is in

[Olly Lawer] “3. If using tap based workflow (Z5) alongside XDCAM footage, is this problematic in FCPX
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Don’t know about this, but FCPX mixes codecs very well on the timeline

Steve Connor
“FCPX Agitator”
Adrenalin Television

[Michael Sanders]

At the moment if you want to use XDcam EX or HD material in either FCP X or 7 you have to use Sony’s XDcam browser or XDcam Transfer s/w to copy the files from the media (disc or card) to a hard drive.

Whilst it is copying the material it also re-wraps the files into Quicktime. It’s pretty fast but since I have’t worked with Avid or Premier much I have no idea if this process adds much time to the process of copying cards or discs (Avid or Premier I believe both work with the native MXF files).

I say at the moment because there was an announcement somewhere that Sony are going to be demoing a new way of working with XDcam material and FCP X (maybe 7 who knows) at this years NAB – which is only a month away.

Michael Sanders
London Based DP/Editor

[Olly Lawer]

I see!

I do this anyway! So it’s not a prob. Thought there was an extra step to it.

Doesn’t take long. About 300% quicker than real time

Olly Lawer

[Kevin Patrick]

Premiere Pro works directly with XDCAM EX. You can browse and import the files from within PP. No re-wrap needed, nor any transcoding.

[Olly Lawer]

Thanks. Just spoke to business partner about it and he hates premier pro, so that crosses that one off my list.

So really it’s Avid or FCPX. I have a feeling Avid is going to cost a bomb for us both so realistically it’s got to be FCPX.

As I say, we capture Movs and camera RAW separately and back up to blu-ray so it’s not actually adding any more time to our workflow.

Olly Lawer

[Daniel Frome]

I’m going to stay out of the FCPX talk on this one, and I won’t claim Avid to be the best for every scenario… but I will say from experience/evidence that if XDCAM is your format: Avid is your best choice.

Do you want to edit purely with proxies? Then relink to full rez when the edit is done?
Do you want to edit with proxy video, but use the high quality audio? And relink to full rez video?
Do you want to edit with the full rez XDCAM material?
Do you want to write your final sequence back to XDCAM disk when you’re done?

Avid supports all these modes out of the box, and it handles the offline/online type of workflow better than any other NLE by a wide margin.

Assuming you have the chops to learn Avid, the choice is self evident.

[Olly Lawer]

Working with proxies would be useful in terms of speeding up renders (or no renders at all!).

However, what’s the cost for Avid?

Olly Lawer