putting a sequence into another sequence…

[Thaxter Clavemarlton]

[danny liem] “when i edit onto the timeline it takes a minute, make a cut it takes another minute and i have to render all the audio…its just impossible to work with. “

Your capture and timeline settings should match.

You have something set (at least one) at the wrong setting.

We need more complete info on your source format, capture settings, capture card, Mac info, FCP version and timeline settings.

[Danny Liem]

my settings on the timeline and my capture settings match. they are shot in 720p at 29.97fps. i checked all the settings and they match. i have the latest version of fcp and i am working off of a g4 laptop.

[David Roth weiss]

Danny,

The way you’ve chosen to organize and edit is first of all, linear rather non-linear, which does not really utilize the advantages that FCP and other NLEs offer. Some people think they can work faster that way, but I am not one them. I believe you would do much better using different bins to organize subclips rather than using different timelines to organize sequences of shots. BTW, you use command+U to create a subclip from a clip in the viewer.

Second, you’re nesting sequences, and then re-nesting as well. You really should read the FCP manual regarding nesting, you will find it enlightening. Here’s a brief section just for starters:

Pros and Cons of Nested Sequences

Before you start using nested sequences in your project, it’s important to understand
some of the advantages and disadvantages of working with them.

Pros
Nesting allows you to reuse an entire sequence of clips over and over. You can
change a nested sequence and the changes are reflected everywhere.

Cons
Multiple levels of sequence nesting can take a while to display, since they require
additional processing.

If you are exporting an EDL, nested sequences may generate confusing timecode
numbers and reel names.

If you are exporting an OMF file, nested sequences will be mixed together and
exported as a single audio media file.

Nested sequences make media management more complicated.

If you decide you don’t want to nest a sequence, you can still edit content from one
sequence to another. For more information, see “Editing the Content of One Sequence
into Another Without Nesting It” on page 422.

I hope this helps…

David

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[Thaxter Clavemarlton]

[David Roth Weiss] “Danny,

The way you’ve chosen to organize and edit is first of all, linear rather non-linear, which does not really utilize the advantages that FCP and other NLEs offer.”

What explains the need to render the audio?

[David Roth weiss]

[Thax Clave] “What explains the need to render the audio?”

See what the manual says:

How Many Audio Items Does a Nested Sequence Have?

When you nest one sequence inside of another, the nested sequence has only one
video item, regardless of how many video tracks it has in its own Timeline window.
However, the number of audio items that are nested is equal to the number of audio
output channels specified in the Audio Outputs tab of the Sequence Settings window
for the nested sequence.

For example, if sequence A uses a single pair of stereo audio outputs, editing it into
sequence B results in a nested clip with one video and two audio items.

However, if sequence A has six audio outputs assigned in its sequence settings, editing
it into sequence B results in a nested sequence with one video and six audio items. This
is true regardless of how the audio tracks are assigned to audio output channels in the
nested sequence. For example, if you only have two audio tracks in the Timeline of the
nested sequence, and they are assigned to audio output channels 1 and 2, the nested
sequence still has six audio items when edited into another sequence.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles

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[Mark Palmos]

Hey David, remember Discreet Edit, we could do DOZENS of audio layers without rendering – on a two processor P2! FCP is pretty darn lame in that dept.
Catcha later
Mark.

[David Roth weiss]

[mark palmos] “remember Discreet Edit, we could do DOZENS of audio layers without rendering – on a two processor P2! FCP is pretty darn lame in that dept.”

Yeah, but to be perfectly fair, we were only pushing highly compressed video back then that topped out at 21mbps (I just researched that on the Pinnacle site).

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles

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[Mark Palmos]

yeah but to be even more fair (heh heh) FCP chokes even if there is NO video and plenty of audio tracks.
catcha later
m

[David Roth weiss]

[mark palmos] “FCP chokes even if there is NO video”

Well, if the rumors are correct we won’t have Apple FCP to be pushing around much longer…

Gosh Mark, what is it about you and NLEs? If you adopt one, doom is soon to follow… Must be that Greek tragedy thing.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles

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A forum host of Creative COW’s Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.

[Danny Liem]

wow you guys are really on top of it, thanks a lot for the info, it was very helpful. david, you said i wasnt taking advantage of some of the features of fcp. explain to me how you would organize 600 differernt clips in a project. some of these clips are only a couple secs long and others are minutes. i get them in hdv tapes so ive been organizing them by tape numbers. if you know a faster way to do this, that would be great. i know about subclips but i just cant see how that would help in organization…