ProRes RAW and RED patent

[Shawn Miller]

[Oliver Peters] “To my knowledge RED holds the patent for recording compressed RAW formats in-camera. I’m not exactly sure how BMD got around that.”

I thought, they got around it by doing a partial de-bayer in camera, so that the output wasn’t “technically” raw. Although, you bring up an interesting question – would putting ProRes RAW in a camera violate Red’s copyright? Also, how are Kinefinity and Canon getting away with compressed raw capture in their cameras – could they be paying RED a licensing fee… or, are those lossy formats?

Shawn

[Oliver Peters]

[Shawn Miller] “Also, how are Kinefinity and Canon getting away with compressed raw capture in their cameras – could they be paying RED a licensing fee… or, are those lossy formats?”

Good question. I’m not sure. I do know that RED sued Sony for recording a compressed raw format in the F55 camera, but I don’t know the outcome of that.

– Oliver

Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com

[Michael Gissing]

I’m sure the RED patent is behind the dropping of cDNG in BM cameras. Maybe with BRAW they have either worked around the patent or are paying RED a license

[Ronny Courtens]

Jeremy from Atomos officially said they are paying a license fee to RED for capturing to ProRes RAW on their devices. And, as Shawn stated, BRAW is strictly not a RAW format because they do a partial debayer before encoding to BRAW.

I think the term “RAW” is being used pretty loosely these days. When talking with some colorists at Films@59 (a very high-profile post house in Bristol) a few months ago, they surprised me by saying that they did not even consider REDRAW as a true RAW format. But then again they also don’t consider Resolve as a valid tool for their color workflows. They use Baselight and Flame Premium on Supermicro Linux boxes. I guess it’s all in the eye of the beholder.

– Ronny

[Eric Santiago]

Aaah RED the new Apple ????

Remember Firewire…and Im sure many other patent goodies 😉