ProRes and 10 Bit HD Swap problems

[Gary Adcock]

[Oscar Bucco] “by changing the settings from ProRes to 10 Bit and then Quicktime Export using Current Settings. However, before I export I need to re-render the entire timeline since it is now 10 bit.”

NO
you need to render again because you changed the sequence compression, the file was 10bit to begin with in ProRes.

“but no matter, it always requires me to use render one or the other. I can’t have both working at the same time.”

DUH, Oscar- you have to match the Seq settings to the video’s file format. that means that either you are going to need 2 versions of the file, one as 10bit PR and one as 10bit UC.

“Anyone know a workaround? “

Like i said – you need 2 versions of the QT file.

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[Oscar Brightman]

Okay, thanks, for the reply. I do realize that you must render if you change the sequence settings from the native file format. I am wondering if after I change the settings (say to 10 bit UN) and render all for a given sequence and save it, can I work in a manner so that if I change it to something else and then change back to 10 but UN, it will still have the previously rendered media and not need to be re-rendered again since nothing has changed?

I think, moreoever, I am working in the wrong way. There is probably a better way to export a 10bit UN from a ProREs sequence than to actually change the settings of the sequence and export CUrrent Settings. I did this to take advantage of any uprezzing that may occur for the titles, graphics and other media that was not fixed in prores.

[David Roth weiss]

Just duplicate the sequence and make one of each.

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[Steve Eisen]

Oscar repeating what Gary said.

Create 2 sequences. 1 ProRes and 1 10 bit UC. Export a file for each sequence.

Whenever you change your setting in FCP, you will ALWAYS need to re-render.

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[Oscar Brightman]

Thanks for the feedback guys but that is exactly what I was trying to do, create two projects with two different settings.

I started with a prores sequence – fully rendered – and did a SAVE AS to create a new project called 10bit. I changed the settings on this new sequence to 10 Bit UC. It required a render, of course, which I did.

Ok, now the strange part: When I re-open the original prores project that was already rendered, it now needs to be re-rendered again. It appears that I cannot have two seperate projects with different settings exist at the same time without have to re-render one or the other. I guess this is because they share the same media but I thought that they would store their rendered files and be okay with it.

[Gary Adcock]

[Oscar Bucco] “When I re-open the original prores project that was already rendered, it now needs to be re-rendered again. It appears that I cannot have two seperate projects with different settings exist at the same time without have to re-render one or the other.”

Ok I am guessing your workflow is sloppy.

Do the 2 seq’s have different names or were you lazy and just called them both Sequence 1- if you uniquely name each project I can assure you that the renders will stay separate.

Name one 10Bit UC and one ProRes Original and the render files for each project will remain intact.

gary adcock
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[Jeremy Garchow]

Do you have smoothcam on any of those clips?

[Oscar Brightman]

I think you Sherlocked it! Thank you. Yes, I am Sloppy with a capital S. (sometimes this gets me some amazing ‘happy accidents’, other times, well, I wind up here. Will try this out.
Thanks again,
Oscar