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  • ProRes 720p – Flash

    Posted by Mark Laslo on October 27, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Hi All,

    I have recently upgraded and made the push to HD with a purchase of the HMC-150. To save space and because our website does not have the capability to playback HD quite yet I have been shooting in 720P.

    The end result is SD 16×9 Flash.

    My strategy thus far has been work in HD with HD graphics (lower thirds and a right hand corner branding bug). From there I send the project right to compressor and use DV NTSC anamorphic. I then take that format and use On2 Flix Standard and set it to use source framerate and frame size. 96 kbps audio and a maximum bitrate of 700kbps – to try and gain a little extra quality over the preset 512 kbps.

    For the most part I feel this looks alright but I feel like the graphics are getting mangled in the flash conversion. They look fine to me in quicktime (though I believe I’m running quicktime X for what it’s worth). The graphics on the web look more like when you preview a file in Finder by hitting the spacebar.

    My two questions then are – Is there a better way to get to Flash from FCP
    Should I compress down to SD and then put the graphics in?

    Your time, answers, and any other suggestions are greatly appreciated

    Steve Eisen replied 15 years, 6 months ago 5 Members · 7 Replies
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  • Jeremy Garchow

    October 27, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Why not compress the 720 movie down to your flash size? Dv is terrible for graphics and there’s no reason to use the dv compression as an intermediate. What’s your final frame size? 640×360?

    Flash is also extremely comprssed and text can get crunched. Make sure your using thick enough fonts, even if it might look a bit silly in your HD timeline. You should run a few short tests to see what’s going to look best. Sometimes, flash programmers have us make a textures version and they add text later to keep it all vector based. It’s an extra step and more time and money, but if it’s important enough it makes for a better read.

  • Steve Eisen

    October 27, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    [Mark Laslo] “Is there a better way to get to Flash from FCP”

    h.264

    Steve Eisen
    Eisen Video Productions
    Vice President
    Chicago Final Cut Pro Users Group

  • Chris Tompkins

    October 27, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Capture HD
    Edit HD
    Output Sequence Current Settings – ref file

    Compress to whatever format needed.
    Don’t double compress.

    Chris Tompkins
    Video Atlanta

  • Mark Laslo

    October 27, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Hi Chris,

    I don’t have any software except on2 flix to go from video to Flash. Would you recommend this as a solution?

    Thanks,
    Mark

  • Chris Babbitt

    October 27, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Compress your final HD movie to H.264 in Compressor and then change the extension to .flv. The more recent Flash players are compatible with H.264.

  • Mark Laslo

    October 27, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Thanks Chris,

    I’ll try that, though I noticed when I used the H.264 codec that my cross-dissolves seem to get a lot of extra artifacts. My workflow for this had been work in HD and then convert to H.264 in compressor with these settings – of which i guessed at –

    Name: H.264 700Kbps Streaming copy
    Description: H.264 for medium-bandwidth streaming
    File Extension: mov
    Estimated size: 495.36 MB/hour of source
    Audio Encoder
    IMA 4:1, Stereo (L R), 48.000 kHz
    Video Encoder
    Format: QT
    Width: 720
    Height: 480
    Pixel aspect ratio: NTSC CCIR 601/DV
    Crop: None
    Padding: None
    Frame rate: 29.97
    Frame Controls: Automatically selected: Off
    Codec Type: H.264
    Multi-pass: On, frame reorder: On
    Pixel depth: 24
    Spatial quality: 75
    Min. Spatial quality: 25
    Temporal quality: 50
    Min. temporal quality: 25
    Average data rate: 0.717 (Mbps)
    Maximum data rate: 0.717 (Mbps)
    Hinted for QuickTime
    streaming server

    Our server seems to be able to handle people watching at between 500 and 700 kbps without running into buffer issues. This makes making the push to HD not possible at current, at least to my knowledge. Any suggestions are appreciated.

  • Steve Eisen

    October 27, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    You want your frame size to be 640 x 360.

    Steve Eisen
    Eisen Video Productions
    Vice President
    Chicago Final Cut Pro Users Group

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