Project Manager and HDV

[Jon Barrie]

Are you certain the clips are not inside any timeline at they’re full length?
– Jon 🙂

[__peter__]

Absolutely certain 🙂

I found the same problem when searching the forums archive, but nobody seems to know.

Thats really a problem … how should I archive hdv projects ?

Thanks for any idea!

Peter

[Jon Barrie]

As a work around try a test with only a couple of clips from the same source tape.
1. Start a new HDV project.
2. Set it up with several clips cut down to a short edit.
3. Start another project and import the 1st one.
4. Ask all the clips to go offline.
5. Run the Media Manager to keep it offline
6. Open trimmed offline project
7. Attempt to batch capture

(I’m going to have a crack at it myself 1st chance – let you know how I went).

– Jon 🙂

[Jon Barrie]

Peter I just did some tests and I can see that there seems to be no way to trim a HDV project with the Media Manager. We should hassle the heck out of Adobe.
I have got some kind of solution tho…
If you work in an Offline DV project, which I’ve done for many months now. You can trim that. Import it into a HDV project with all the trims offline and batch capture the trimmed project with the HDV capture override. That works perfectly. It’s a bit more work, but I prefer to work this way, it’s a faster edit in DV and the Timecode matches perfectly when Batching the trim in HDV. I have a SONY Z1P.
– Jon 🙂

[__peter__]

Thanks for the confirmation.
I’ve also posted this in another forum and there’s absolutely no response. Are we two the only ones that run into this problem – I guess not 🙂

Yes it works with DV and used to work even iwth HD-Matrox Avis but that is another story …

The one thing I really don’t understand is: Why can a offline project NOT be trimmed ? I hav a little understanding vor the HDV Clips as they are mpegs which might no be so easy to split. But it should be possible to do it offline.

So for my actual project which IS HDV I think I have to COMPLETELY recapture in DV, Trim it and recapture in HDV.

There must be another solution.

Thanks for Your help so far. And other ideas ?

Peter

[Jon Barrie]

I’m one of those cineform advocates. It is a great plugin for HDV and HD workflows. It works with these projects I think it’s the avi wrapper. The mpeg is not working so I think its a problem embedded in the fact it’s mpeg. They should fix it as an offline, but then it looks like the system still sees the properties as mpeg, but…
I’m all for the noise towards adobe to fix it. It does make it useless having the option in HDV projects if it doesn’t work.

It’s funny how this offline/online workflow is nowadays considered a work-around. That used to be the way everyone did things once upon a time.

– Jon 🙂

[David Mowbray]

Jon:
I second your comment about how our views of workflows have changed as storage becomes cheaper. In the early days of DV I developed software that would let you work in Premiere 5 – 6 with low res avi’s (MJPG) derived from original DV and with timecode stamps that Premiere could recognize.

Now DV is the low res for HDV. Works for me.

Interesting that the new Sony Z7 camcorder (due February) with both tape and solid state capture can record HDV to tape while simultaneously capturing DV to the memory card. Looks like Sony too is thinking about this kind of workflow.

Anyway, sorry to be a bit off topic but I have always found Adobe’s project trimmers / managers very cumbersome.

Cheers
David