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  • Profession Audio/ sound quality for a commercial?

    Posted by Kyle Omlor on June 27, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    OK, I see these amazing national commercials where are a ton of natural sounds going on throughout the spot and the main talent sounds amazing. Or maybe the wind is blowing like mad and once again, the Talent is clear as a bell.

    How do they do this. I HAVE TO KNOW. Right now, I’m at a point where this is the only thing that really limits some of the work I would like to do.

    Is there a book, a video tutorial, something? Anything I can do to try and learn this trick of the trade? Every time I type in a google search, I just get a ton of movie SFX junk.

    HELP HELP HELP

    Jeff Beaumont replied 13 years, 10 months ago 3 Members · 4 Replies
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  • Ron Lindeboom

    June 27, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    They use “foley” sound. They build the soundtrack layer by layer and “construct” what you hear. It is not done in a single pass. The audio alone can take days or weeks to build. (Sometimes, they do not record original foley sounds but use canned sound effects and other bits and pieces that they grab from sound libraries.)

    Each element is placed just where they want the sound to happen and at the volume, presence, etc., that works for the piece.

    They also use trickery like ADR audio, where they use the “live” audio as reference and re-record the voiceover parts using ADR — replacing the original voice with the new ADR track.

    HTH.

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  • Kyle Omlor

    June 27, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    So it’s safe to say they used ADR and a ton of Foley on this spot?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsuSTbrdlE8&feature=plcp

  • Ron Lindeboom

    June 27, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Yes, that is likely the way it was done.

    I know many productions that try to avoid the extra steps required to get great audio and the productions suffer for it.

    The formula is this: you can have great video and mediocre audio and you end up with a mediocre production. But I have seen mediocre video with an exciting and A-rated audio track suddenly take on a life all its own. Another way of saying it is this: you have likely watched movies where the audio scares you even though the movie is not all that good. Audio cues are more core to the human experience than visual cues.

    Best regards,

    Ronald Lindeboom
    CEO, Creative COW LLC
    Publisher, Creative COW Magazine
    A 2011 FOLIO: 40 honoree as one of the 40 most influential publishers in America
    http://www.creativecow.net

    Creativity is a process wherein the student and the teacher are located in the same individual.

    “Incompetence has never prevented me from plunging in with enthusiasm.” – Woody Allen

    “Be who you are and say what you feel because those that matter, don’t mind — and those that mind, don’t matter.” – Dr. Seuss

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  • Jeff Beaumont

    June 28, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    It’s definitely ADR’ed. You can see the lip sync drift in and out in several places. And the SFX were Foley’ed as Ron pointed out . They are very present and “up front” (too much for my taste) which is usually a giveaway that they are not Nat. Sound.

    In your original post you asked for a book that can teach you these techniques.
    Like most skills in this business you can learn a lot from books but ultimately you either have “it” or you don’t. Either way, audio is a craft that takes years to learn to do well.
    So I suggest that you read Jay Rose’s “Producing Great Sound for Film and VIdeo ” but hire an audio pro in the meantime while you learn the craft.

    Jeff Beaumont

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