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  • Pro Res to MPEG 2 workflow.

    Posted by Barry Rosenberg on April 19, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Thank you in advance for your help!

    I am converting quite a number of 22.5 min episodes of a series I am doing that will be broadcast in Russia.

    I’d like to know what would be the right workflow for this. I am considering using compressor. Any thoughts?

    Here are the current specs of the shows:

    Pro Res 422
    29.97
    Field Dominance: Upper
    HD 1440×1080
    Audio: 48khz, 16 bit

    I am running:
    OSX 10.5.8
    FCP 6.06
    MBP 2.5 ghz
    4gb Ram

    Here are the specs of what is needed for delivery:

    Video:
    Frame size: 1920×1080 pixels
    Frame rate: 50i
    Stream type: MPEG2 Video Stream (Main Profile @ High Level)
    Field dominance (interlacing): Upper Field First
    Bitrate: 40000kbps
    Chroma format: 4:2:0

    Audio:
    Stream type: WAV, MPEG1 layer 2
    Channels: 5.1 or Stereo
    Stream format: 48KHz, 16bit
    Audio bitrate: 384 kbps or greater

    File system:
    NTFS (compatible with Windows)

    Container Format:
    MPEG2 Elementary Stream (separate Audio and Video streams).

    Main:
    Aspect picture ratio (OAR) must be greater than 1.78:1 but not higher 2.35:1 for all materials.
    HD material must be recorded on external drive without errors.
    ——————————————————————————
    Here is how I have it set up in compressor. Is this right? Or there something missing or a better way?
    Do I need to be concerned with a file extension of m2t? This needs to be windows compatible.

    Summary:

    Name: Elementary Stream
    Description: MPEG-2 Elementary Stream, 15 Mbps. Settings based off the source resolution and frame-rate.
    File Extension: m2t
    Estimated file size: unknown
    Time remapping:
    source frames play at 25.000 fps
    Type: MPEG-2 transport stream
    Video Encoder
    Format: M2V
    Width: 1920
    Height: 1080
    Pixel aspect ratio: Square
    Crop: None
    Padding: None
    Frame rate: 25
    Frame Controls On:
    Retiming: (Best) High quality Motion Compensated
    Resize Filter: Statistical Prediction
    Deinterlace Filter: Best (Motion Compensated)
    Adaptive Details: On
    Antialias: 0
    Detail Level: 0
    Field Output: Top Field First
    Start timecode from source
    Aspect ratio: Automatic
    Selected 16:9
    Field dominance: Top first
    Average data rate: 34 (Mbps)
    2 Pass VBR enabled
    Maximum data rate: 40 (Mbps)
    High quality
    Best motion estimation
    Closed GOP Size: 1/2 second, Structure: IBBP
    Audio Encoder
    Format: MPEG
    Sample Rate: 48.000kHz
    Channels: 2
    Bits Per Sample: 16

    Thank you for being there guys! I appreciate your knowledge. Any confirmation that I am taking the right course of action or screwing this up is very much appreciated.

    Barry Rosenberg

    Barry Rosenberg replied 16 years, 1 month ago 4 Members · 8 Replies
  • 8 Replies
  • Michael Gissing

    April 19, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    You are using Compressor to do a standards convert from 29.97 to 25. My personal preference would be to find a facility that can run it through something like a Teranex to do the frame rate conversion. Preferably they can go straight to a real time encode of the mpeg with your specs. With multiple 22 minute shows, it will save days of rendering and look better.

    The mpeg settings in Compressor look right. If you want to go with the software convert, I suggest a small sample would be a good idea. With frame controls set to the highest quality, it will take a long time render these files. Before you invest weeks of rendering, send your small test to the Russians and ask them to confirm that the mpeg file settings are correct.

  • Barry Rosenberg

    April 19, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    Michael

    Thanks for the quick response. I suggested to my client the idea of using a Terranex and of course the idea of spending any additional money is not going to happen, especially when they claim poverty while driving away in their brand new convertible BMW. I am appreciate the confirmation on the settings and the suggestion of sending a sample. I will definitely be doing that.

    Thanks again.

    Barry

  • Michael Gissing

    April 19, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    If you aren’t going to charge them for render time then yes it would be cheaper. However, if you charge anything for rendering, then it shouldn’t be cheaper. This will take a long time to render if you want quality.

  • John Pale

    April 19, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    I have found when it comes to a combination of standards conversion and MPEG-2 encoding, it is actually faster to do the Standard Conversion first (to Uncompressed or ProRes) and then encode the resulting file, rather than try to do it in one operation.

    Definitely do some tests first.

    For the standards conversion pass, you are going to want to turn on the frame controls and set the resize and the frame rate conversion to “Better” or “Best”. For most material, “Better” will suffice…setting everything to “Best” will make it take much longer…and on some material, may actually look worse.

    Once you have the material converted to PAL, you the MPEG2 encode will go rather quickly, in comparison.

    You should also run multiple instance of Compressor using the QuickCluster feature of Q-Master.

  • Barry Rosenberg

    April 20, 2010 at 3:55 am

    John

    Thank you for the advice! I do appreciate it and anything that can speed up the process and create a file that looks acceptable brings a smile to my face.

  • Brad Elliott

    April 20, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    For about $100 you can get the Natress format conversion plug-in for FC.

    I think this is superior to Compressor.

  • John Pale

    April 20, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    [Brad Elliott] “I think this is superior to Compressor. “

    I have Nattress too. It’s much faster than Compressor, however it softens the image a bit more (at least in my experience). Depending on the footage it may not be that noticeable. Compressor, using Optical Flow, can produce a sharper image (especially if there are graphics or fine details in the footage), at the price of extended render time.

    Make sure you do tests to see what works best for you.

  • Barry Rosenberg

    April 20, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    I appreciate all the suggestions. I am currently testing both methods. The idea of less render time using the Nattress standards converter is very appealing.

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