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Pretty amazing Thunderbolt demo.
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Sounds great, Tero. Glad it’s working for you.
I can’t get real time Epic playback without reducing playback to 1/2 or lower in PPro.
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[kim krause] “glad you think so! read jeremy’s thread below here…he’s saying the same thing and shane is just arguing with him. i’m not implying today or even next month but if you can make a macbook air run this stuff with a thunderbolt breakout box then i see no reason why a mini can’t replace in the near future. i have replaced a 2 year old macbook pro with a macbook air and haven’t noticed any decrease in performance. who’s to say that a super hot mini isn’t in the works? you gonna have egg on your face if i’m right.”
No, they are not saying the same thing at all. Jeremy Garchow says that for his specific needs in the field an Air with TB might be a great solution and he argues that it canl be an alternative to the Mac Pro for some but certainly not for all.
I could write up several workflows that are tried and functional on a MacPro but will turn your life into a place of hurt on an Air or Mini.
First of all, the setup shown in the demo doesn’t even run on OSX at all and given the nature of the Red card it is unlikely will in the near future unless Apple makes some majore changes to the OS.
You are also making the usual mistake of comparing the previous generation of processors (or even the one before) with the current cpus found in the Mini or Laptops. A Sandy Bridge Xeon will run circles around an i7, especially if it is a dual cpu machine – in terms of raw cpu performance, system architecture and bandwith etc.
Xeons will never fit in a Mini or iMac because of the cooling requirements, let alone a dual cpu setup. The demo doesn’t really tax cpu at all, all the work is done by the Red card and the raid. Without the Red card, as seen in the dome, it’s a show stopper.Also, formats, codecs and workflows are not written in stone. New stuff will pop up, larger file and frame sizes, more bandwith intensive etc. Once a powerful tower is gone it is likely gone for good and you are stuck with a lightweight laptop that might suffice for your work requirements today but might bog down with whatever comes around the corner tomorrow.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I can’t get real time Epic playback without reducing playback to 1/2 or lower in PPro.”
Mac or Windows? I remember you as a Mac guy (natch), and Tero is talking about Windows. This gets to a larger point about the relative poverty of a top of the line Mac versus even something like an Acer, primarily because of pitiful Mac graphics support.
Disclosing, as a reminder, I’ve been using Apples since 1979, a Mac since February 1984, and have been complaining about graphics on my Macs since 1986. This isn’t a platform war thing — just the facts.
Albeit perhaps a little off-topic since we’re talking about T-bolt…although very much ON topic to the extent that Tero points out that there are a lot of other factors that affect performance, and a lot of ways to think about performance.
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Mac.
I know Taro is talking Windows.
[Tim Wilson] “Albeit perhaps a little off-topic since we’re talking about T-bolt…although very much ON topic to the extent that Tero points out that there are a lot of other factors that affect performance, and a lot of ways to think about performance.”
Again, if everyone will simply look at this demo, and take it for what it is, you will see that red playback (and other simultaneous video actions) are not dependent on a Cuda based sizzle core.
Can’t I please be excited about this? Please? 😉
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Can’t I please be excited about this? Please? ;)”
You know you’re not allowed to be excited about things here 😉
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[Frank Gothmann] “I could write up several workflows that are tried and functional on a MacPro
but will turn your life into a place of hurt on an Air or Mini.”Not to mention Apple’s efforts in creating obstacles for DIY upgrades.
One has to wonder, wouldn’t they keep following this trend in the future?https://blog.macsales.com/10146-apple-further-restricts-upgrade-options-on-new-imacs
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Again, if everyone will simply look at this demo, and take it for what it is, you will see that red playback (and other simultaneous video actions) are not dependent on a Cuda based sizzle core.”
You’re right, in this case it’s not dependent on a “Cuda based sizzle core”. It’s dependent on a $5,000 Red Rocket in a $1,000 expansion chassis hooked to a $1,500 RAID. Which is a bit more expensive than a sizzle core beast with a decent nVidia card.
By all means, be excited. But be prepared to spend enormous amounts of money to get 4K playback on an Air.
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Do you work with red material, Michael?
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[Christian Schumacher] ”
Not to mention Apple’s efforts in creating obstacles for DIY upgrades.
One has to wonder, wouldn’t they keep following this trend in the future?https://blog.macsales.com/10146-apple-further-restricts-upgrade-options-on-n...”
That was from May of last year, and then an August update: https://blog.macsales.com/11638-owc-turnkey-program-for-2011-imacs-announced
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Do you work with red material, Michael?”
I do. I work with Red, Alexa, DSLR, XDCam, DVCProHD, Beta, DVCPro, GoPro, AVCHD – you name it, I’ve probably handled it at some point on either an Avid, Edius, FCP, or Premiere system. What does my experience with Red footage have to do with what I wrote? 4K playback isn’t cheap if you want to use an Air, thunderbolt or not.
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Michael Hancock
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