Premiere vs. FCPX

[Joseph Mastantuono]

Apple *really* needs nVidia GPU options it seems.

I’m running a Mac Pro 2010 model, with a GTX285, and it runs like a dream, output through my Blackmagic Decklink 3d.

I’m cutting h.264 and XDCAM EX together on a single timeline, without conversion, without hiccups.

I’m cutting a corporate video right now, and using the search function almost anytime to look for a clip, and it’s really sweet.

Titles with Tiff’s on top of video? NO RENDERING.

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[Jim Giberti]

[Andrew Kimery] “Its odd to see such polar opposite first/early impressions.
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I didn’t spend a lot of time with PP but I didn’t have to, I could move into it tomorrow and put out a project. It’s that intuitive for a FCP user.

I see both X and 6 as being in a similar and interesting spots, both in a good light, no need for invective.

Now it’s time for Adobe to push the envelope with PP and Apple with FCP.

For a while last year it looked pretty stupid and unnecessarily unsettling to me and so many other producers and editors.

Now, nearly a year later, it looks pretty interesting.
We’ve been putting out a steady stream of nice creative for broadcast and web out of FCPX for months. Aside from our brush with corruption, It’s become a better and better environment as I’ve invested more time – big surprise.

Again, I think David’s article is spot on.
Right now I could edit enjoyably in either FCPX or PP6.
But honestly, FCPX is a better overall experience than any NLE we’ve produced with going back to PP 1.0, Media 100 and Avid suites.
It needs to evolve, as does PP6, but it’s there at a very serious level now.

[Rich Joyce]

Yes I do represent only me.
When I say I feel Apple let down professional editors I was talking the majority of other people who I speak to who make a living using an NLE (mainly FCP users)down. When they did let those people down, they opened the door for Adobe to come in.
Before the release of FCPX it was mainly a Avid/FCP world when it came to production houses. The release of, and let down of FCPX made a lot of other people explore other options. When they did they found Premiere and the production suite of awesome tools, AE, PS, Ai a choice. Priemiere is now showing up in more production houses. So it is becoming more of an Avid/Priemiere world.

There is your “official” word

[Tero Ahlfors]

[John Davidson] “Not a big fan of having to select a track I want to make changes to in Premiere. Are there shortcuts for activating and deactivating tracks for edit? Rendering seems to take about as long as FCP – and on that subject, how the heck do you turn off the automatic playback of the sequence after render? It makes me lose my place and gets quite annoying.”

You can set up track selection shortcuts in the keyboard shortcuts menu. They aren’t used by default. Also the automatic playback can be disabled in preferences -> general -> play work area after rendering previews.

[Lance Bachelder]

It’s really a love/hate relationship with Vegas lol. But it truly is the only NLE that gives you picture editing and the power of Pro Tools all in the same timeline. This works well for the indie features I cut because I like to sound design and cut in score as I edit. I’ve had a 90 min. 1080p timeline with over 60 tracks of 5.1 audio going with no slow down. Plus I get to use plug-ins like WAVES and isotope while I cut and mix. It also has a great secondary color correction tool.

The ONLY reason I’ve kept a PC’s around for the past decade is Vegas. Even shows I’ve cut in FCP or Avid I’ve done the mix in Vegas. Version 11 has been very problematic – just take a peek at the Vegas forum and you’ll see all the posts. This has been the main reason why I continue to support and test NLE’s like FCPX and Premiere. But I’m hoping they get the bugs fixed and as a beta tester I can say there is hope, lots of it.

Vegas was the first full 64bit NLE. The first to support native RED 4k files and one of the first to offer true stereoscopic editng. 3rd party plugs by Boris,Red Giant, New Blue and GenArts are fully supported. It also supports realtime playback via the widest array of graphics cards from both ATI and nVidia! Matrox, AJA and BMD cards are supported.

It has it’s problems and it’s a weird interface for the uninitiated but it never fails to blow away everyone who sits down with me for a session or a demo…

Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Irvine, California

[Jim Giberti]

[Rich Joyce] “Before the release of FCPX it was mainly a Avid/FCP world when it came to production houses. The release of, and let down of FCPX made a lot of other people explore other options. When they did they found Premiere and the production suite of awesome tools, AE, PS, Ai a choice.”

I don’t know any professional houses that haven’t had Production Suites or Master Collections on their systems forever. We all use AI, PS AE, no mater what NLEs we’re running. A lot of shops , like ours have them running on every system.

I’m just saying there’s been no big revelation.
This debate is not conclusive as you stated in your opening sentence which I commented on.

We don’t have to face up to anything was and is my point.

We’re all doing fine which ever way we go, the industry hasn’t made any group dictates, the situation is flexible and changing.

It’s all good.

[Lance Bachelder]

That’s when I first used it too. Back in 2000 i think , I saw a Vegas 2 demo at the DV Expo in Long Beach and was really freaked out. Vegas was the first NLE to have realtime dissolves etc with DV footage – no Targa or Digisuite or CineWave required!

I ended up buying my copy at Frys and have used it off and on ever since and been on the beta team since version 3. I got to fly back to Sonic Foundry HQ in Madison and meet the team before the Sony purchase. Very cool and creative group. They were the first Windows guys I ever met that were as passionate as Mac folks.

Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Irvine, California

[Colin Hensworth]

I agree Jim. It’s an interesting and exciting time for sure. I like X but just not sure I want/can afford to have my world change so drastically, so quickly. Couldn’t you have warmed me up a little before we jumped in the sack, Apple?

I used to hate Premiere, but 6 is really attracting me and I feel very comfortable in there. This is definitely the direction I want to go. I can do some great things together with Ae and Ps. I’m also very excited to see what Smoke has to offer, what a great time for someone else to step into the ring.

For now, I’ll be learning and playing around with X and Pr on the side, meanwhile still making my living with FCP 7 until they pry it from my cold, stubborn hands.

[John Davidson]

Good to know. Thanks!

John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.

[David Lawrence]

[Tero Ahlfors] “You can set up track selection shortcuts in the keyboard shortcuts menu. They aren’t used by default. Also the automatic playback can be disabled in preferences -> general -> play work area after rendering previews.”

In addition to this, if you’re using the mouse to drag clips to the timeline, holding down the shift key lets you slide the audio to any track you wish while keeping the video on the track you initially placed it on. Try it. It’s very cool.

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