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  • Premiere Pro Program Monitor zooming and cropping confusion

    Posted by Bathinda Helper on June 30, 2024 at 1:45 pm

    If my monitor display resolution is 1360×768 and my sequence size too is same in APP. And then I insert a clip of same resolution on the sequence. And then I play that on my Program Monitor inside APP in full screen, would it display over my whole monitor screen? And, if I reduce the Program Monitor Panel size, would my video preview be de-scaled (/scaled out) or cropped out? I’m a bit confused in all this.

    And 2nd confusing point is that when I view my video in Prog Mon Panel, (see my screen shots, but in these sscreen shots, the video resolution is a bit diff than mentioned above), there is some black area around my video, which is expected as my video size is smaller than sequence frame size. But problem is that when I click the wrench icon in PMon, and choose to display ‘Transparency Grid’, then the transparent check boxes that appear, cover much wider area that the ‘black’ was covering around the video. Why and how this transparency is covering so big area around it?

    Thanks in adv.

    Bathinda Helper replied 1 week, 3 days ago 2 Members · 10 Replies
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  • Mads Nybo jørgensen

    June 30, 2024 at 2:25 pm

    Hey Bathinda,

    Not quite sure from your description what is that you want to achieve with this process?

    However, if I understand it correctly, you are placing a 1080×1080 “image” on to 1360×768 size sequence.
    Those two will never match, as you point out.

    Instead of having you Program Monitor set to “25%”, try and see what happens if you set it to “Fit”?

    Please let us know if this resolved your problem?

    Atb
    Mads

  • Bathinda Helper

    July 1, 2024 at 9:59 am

    Note: I’ve already spent hours and hours on this on Google, but failed to get any result.

    And I am really delighted for such fast responses on Creative Cow. Even I, the seeker, is late in replying.

    No doubt, I am also at a loss for words to express my ‘confusion’ in clarity. Though English is not my first language, but I feel I’m even not fully confident of the best way to express this confusion in my own tongue. But I’ll try harder, in diff words again.

    I’m confused about the size of the pixels and the handling of the same by APPro in 2 ways. My query consists mainly of 2 points.

    1. When we resize Program Monitor, then how does it handles the zoom levels? If we choose 100% then how big is our image shown? And when we choose 50% zoom, is APP cropping our video or is it scaling the pixels (I understand the meaning of scale is ‘reducing the number of pixels’)? Or is it reducing the size of pixels?/ To repeat, is it cropping, scaling or reducing?

    And if we choose ‘Fit’ then how much zoom level is being used, can we know by some method?

    2. Second query is related to what I’ve tried to show in my screen shots. It too relates to PP’s Prog Monitor. In my First SS, you can notice in the screen shot, I’ve kept the transparency grid off and there is black area around video and then further there is APP’s interface’s gray area around that black. NOW when I turn on the ‘Transparency Grid’ from the PM’s wrench icon, I expect that the TP should only replace the black area around the video, BUT, it is encompassing some of the ‘gray’ area also! Even though I’ve not touched any other setting at all, except switching on the TGrid. Then why is it replacing the gray area (that was around/encompassing the black area) of the PM? I’d urge you to compare the PM area in both screen shots carefully. I must confess that I’m only viewing this visually. There is no other benchmark that it is happening.

    Perhaps I’ve used my full potential in trying to explain my dilemma/confusion here. Hope I was able to make myself clear this time. And also hope some user can clear this to me.

    Thank you Cow!!

  • Bathinda Helper

    July 1, 2024 at 10:33 am

    P.S. to my prev reply, sent 20 min ago:

    Regarding my query no 2, I’ve marked the area (which I think shouldn’t be replaced/occupied by Transparent pixels) with yellow in new SS being attached w this post.

    Area marked with Red is ok to be replaced, but not ‘Yellow’ marked area (to my mind).

  • Mads Nybo jørgensen

    July 1, 2024 at 10:46 am

    Hey Bathinda,

    I had already started a reply (just below) to your first post from this morning (UK time).

    Rather than “25%” size, please just switch it to “Fit”.

    My reply to your previous post this morning:

    We are all here on the COW to help and learn from one another – notwithstanding that, we have to put family and work first.

    The questions you ask are relevant.

    But as we don’t know your hardware and software setup, it is near impossible to give a detailed technical explanation.

    And, there is also the option that you might have a break-out monitor, or a broadcast monitor for confidence?

    The “fit” option is just that: It fits your master video (sequence) within the size of the box.

    Another option that I often use, is click the panel you want to use:

    To Maximize or Restore Active Frame: hit [SHIFT] + ` (Top left corner normally, just below the Esc button).

    Just to check if you are having the same problem there?

    But without knowing more about your setup, “Fit” for sizing is your best option to get a true picture.
    The pixels itself will be detirmined on the setting for your sequence, right?

    Atb
    Mads

  • Bathinda Helper

    July 1, 2024 at 10:58 am

    I’m sorry that I am still not able to explain what I want to ask.

    I’ve no problem at the moment. I just have a confusion in my mind, which if not cleared, will not hinder any work of mine. Its just a confusion which my mind would like to be clear. This confusion is about how a particular functionality of PP works. And lots of googling also didn’t help on this. Each article is just explaining about ‘Scale to Fit’ or ‘Set to Frame’ etc. But none is talking about what I’ve asked above (there is no point of reiterating all again here).

    And I’ve written about this confusion as clearly as possible. There are perhaps no other words left with me, with which I could express my doubts more clear.

    Though not related to my query, but I’m using APP v24.5 on a Win11 PC with 16gb ram and i5 processor and my display resolution is 1360×768. And I’ve fully ok sony 22″ monitor.

    I’ll try one more time though (I just can’t help it): My first query is how-much/how big is 100% (and 50% and ‘Fit’) zoom levels for PM? Is 50% zoom supposed to take half of my monitor (i.e. if my monitor display reso and my sequence reso were same)?

    And 2nd, why ‘TGrid’ is taking more space around my PM video frame than it should!

  • Bathinda Helper

    July 2, 2024 at 6:34 am

    Pls somebody guide me. (I know I’ve become a bit lengthy, but I couldn’t find better/fewer words that could explain my problem).

    Or Pls suggest some google/youtube link which could throw light on my confusion.

  • Mads Nybo jørgensen

    July 2, 2024 at 6:52 am

    Hey Bathinda,

    I did answer you:

    But without knowing more about your setup, “Fit” for sizing is your best option to get a true picture.
    The pixels itself will be detirmined on the setting for your sequence, right?

    The pixel ratio is based on the output render of your master.
    As in if your sequence settings are 10 x 10, then that is what you get.
    Same with 1080 x 1080, or any other size.
    You can scale the viewer as much as you like in PPro, but rather than focus on that. Instead spend your energy on whether your out-put is working on your desired media for distribution.

    But if it means a lot to you, then you need to mark up the 1080×1080 on your screen, and size your programme monitor to that.
    Still, I recommend you use “fit”.

    In terms of transparency, that works in miracolous ways, as if you’ve got nothing, it shows you nothing around it – Question on that is: What is it that you want to achive?

    Atb
    Mads

  • Bathinda Helper

    July 2, 2024 at 7:06 am

    Thank you very much sir.

    It really helped me a lot.

    I know that you’re emphasizing/repeating that I should tell ‘What do I wish to achieve’. To that I repeat that it is/was just a confusion about the concept of pixels handling by PP’s ProgMon. And confusion about why area beyond my frame gets transparent when I turn on TGrid.

    Thank you for helping me on this. (May be my level is too low in comparison to other PP community, and may be I’m not thinking along the lines of other experts, but I’m trying).

  • Mads Nybo jørgensen

    July 3, 2024 at 1:47 am

    Hey Bathinda,

    You are doing fine, don’t worry.

    There will be times where you can help others, which is why we are here.
    To learn, and help.

    Atb
    Mads

  • Bathinda Helper

    July 3, 2024 at 4:17 am

    For the past 7-8 days, I’m noting a new thing on Google.

    For most PP enquiries, StackExchange is nowhere to be found on the first page of results.
    Mostly there is Creative Cow and Reddit.

    This is great new news. I don’t know what has changed or changing (even may be behind the curtains). But Cow is ranking high.

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