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Premiere Pro CC versus FCP X
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Hey Oliver –
I switched from FCP Legacy and Avid (not a lot of that though) to mostly X for speed, tools at hand and it’s more fun (sorry, but that is important). It was not an instant transition, but once there I am hesitant to go back.
I am in the middle of an agency job where I had to use FCP7 and, while it is certainly a comfortable, familiar and robust tool, there was nothing that I came across that I really thought “wow, I wish X would have this”. My thoughts were more on how to do the same gig in a trackless environment.
Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
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lol dubs vs. subs anybody?
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[Pam Picard] “With all this said, I’m curious where people think FCPX will be in 5 years?”
Only Apple knows. If in 2009, the year FCP 7 was released, someone asked “Where do you think FCP (or NLEs in general) will be in 5 years?” I highly doubt anyone would’ve correctly predicted what went down.
I about learning more than one NLE so that all your eggs aren’t in the same basket.
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[Andrew Kimery] “[Pam Picard] “With all this said, I’m curious where people think FCPX will be in 5 years?”
Only Apple knows. “
Yes Apple is secretive about stuff they are working on, their plans. However, I really doubt Apple knows what they plan to do 5 years in advance. I don’t think they planned to move to the library structure they have now. I think sales and yes even user feedback and where other companies go are all variables. Not to mention the availability of creative talent and patent rights and so forth.
I think its really important at this stage in FCP X development that as a user base we let them know our needs as if every vote counts. I doubt they would make this product if only the high end uses it because that market is very small. But since they are making it, the high end is a very important selling point, branding point. Look how they brag about its use on their site. If some hot shot director or major film is released that was edited on FCP X they will make a big deal about it.
If only NBA players wore Nike sneakers, Nike could not afford to make them. But if they didn’t wear them, they wouldn’t sell nearly as many.
I think the last update had a quite a few features that initially only the upper middle and high end would care about.
[Andrew Kimery] “I about learning more than one NLE so that all your eggs aren’t in the same basket.
“If you want a career as a free lance editor, that’s true regardless of what will happen in 5 years. Be able to say yes to whatever gig comes your way. However, for independent producers and jack of all production trades, learn a work flow and get good with it. If the rug gets pulled out from under you, like it was for many with FCP 7, learn something else.
Mac Pro, macbook pro, Imacs (i7); Canon 5D Mark III/70D, Panasonic AG-HPX170/AG-HPX250P, Canon HV40, Sony Z7U/VX2000/PD170; FCP 6 certified; FCP X write professionally for a variety of media; teach video production in L.A.
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[Craig Alan] ” If the rug gets pulled out from under you, like it was for many with FCP 7, learn something else.”
Just for the record… FCP 7 still works, and at this point it looks like it’ll continue to work for at least one more OS revision. So, as it’s been years since it was EOL… not really a rug pull. More like a “you need to eventually move to something else” message. 😉
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Granted. But it felt that way. They initially stopped selling it and it didn’t seem like the way to go if you were setting up new stations.
I for one was very excited about what FCP 8 would bring to the table.
Mac Pro, macbook pro, Imacs (i7); Canon 5D Mark III/70D, Panasonic AG-HPX170/AG-HPX250P, Canon HV40, Sony Z7U/VX2000/PD170; FCP 6 certified; FCP X write professionally for a variety of media; teach video production in L.A.
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[Craig Alan] “Granted. But it felt that way. They initially stopped selling it and it didn’t seem like the way to go if you were setting up new stations.”
Agreed. I think even Apple, in retrospect, would admit they botched the launch. It was a little… abrupt. 😉
[Craig Alan] “I for one was very excited about what FCP 8 would bring to the table.”
Have you tried FCP 10? lol
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~ My FCPX Babbling blog ~
~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
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[Erik Lindahl] “I flip-side to the whole renting model Adobe has is the issue of the AppStore for businesses. It’s a terrible model for buying apps for an organization”
I believe that Apple will also set up volume licenses for businesses. I’m not sure how the process differs, but it’s there.
Actually in my experience, the Adobe model feels pretty poor. I install a lot of software on my own machines as well as clients’, and the Apple installs have been the easiest of all. I continually run into “first run” problems with Adobe software – in fact, as recent as today. If anything, for me, it’s the biggest argument in favor of running an “Adobe-free” environment.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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[Scott Witthaus] “I switched from FCP Legacy and Avid (not a lot of that though) to mostly X for speed, tools at hand and it’s more fun (sorry, but that is important). It was not an instant transition, but once there I am hesitant to go back”
I would largely agree with that, for me, as well. With the exception of Aindreas’ “lust” for Premiere Pro, I find very few editors who really “love” it. They like the performance, like Adobe’s fast development, but often still find it misses the mark when compared to FCP 7. Maybe that’s the comfort of a well-worn shoe, but it seems like FCP 7 still remains the most versatile (though not great performing) of the tools out there.
My own feeling is that despite Premiere’s strong points, it continues to have nuisance issues for me that make it the last NLE I go to most of the time – given the choice. The most recent job was one I was going to do on Premiere, but it was 720p/29.97 from existing FCP 7 sequences. These simply wouldn’t play through a BMD card with Premiere, because the card wants to see 720p/59.94. Even though the exact same media on the same machine worked in FCP 7 and FCP X, because the software takes care of the cadence issue. I could have copied & pasted the old times like to a new 720p/59.94 sequence in Premiere and that worked, but why bother. Hence, I finished it in X.
The other problem I have with Premiere is the push for native media all the time, with no fallback to transcoding. While this is helpful in a crunch, it’s terrible for performance. Right now I’m about to cut a 10 minute short, shot on RED. I could cut it in Premiere, but I’m not about to mess around with native 4K RED files in a film edit. X’s transcode/proxy workflow simply makes so much more sense.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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[Oliver Peters] “With the exception of Aindreas’ “lust” for Premiere Pro”
hey – hey now. strong words sir.
Avid is a bag of cats that wants you to see the timeline as a sequence of keyboard driven additions or deletions from a growing or shrinking sausage link chain of uninterrupted video, where you act only on the trim points. they don’t want you to see discreet video objects with intrinsic parameters you can act on with a tool palette of slip slid roll tools. they want you to see a monolithic assembly where you hold down three keys and drag left to right to invoke a wildly over-engineered trim mode at the cut points.
I find that about as aesthetically appealing as a root canal personally.
the X timeline is a basket case of primary, secondary, nearest neighbour, second cousin, active dot, tilde to de-activate connections mad hatter’s tea party. It also has mathematically zero uptake in the UK – anyone? Bueller? So it sort of slightly doesn’t actually exist in local terms.
the only thing I can make out from my limited vantage point that still looks sane to me is 7, the dying king, and latterly 8 – also occasionally known as premiere. And adobe have effectively bet the farm on making premiere work like it should for a vast majority of the market. I don’t like rental and I ain’t going to do it, but its heartening that someone (read Al Mooney Doctor Who fan) is pushing a sane replacement for the rather massive stranded FCP base?
I wouldn’t say I lust for premiere, but it’s odd to think if they hadn’t pushed it and we were all left staring in silence at X or Avid.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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