Premiere Pro CC impressions

[John Pale]

[Shane Ross] “Speedgrade…can’t monitor out via AJA or BMD yet, so it’s useless.”

This is not correct. Speedgrade now uses Mercury Transmit in Adobe CC. I use it over my Kona 3 just fine.

[Alban Egger]

[Andy Field] “If you liked FCP 7…you will love Premiere Pro CC — everything that didn’t work quite right in CS6 is fixed in this release. Yes FCP X users, please hold off on the flames…this isn’t a slam on that program (we use it for it’s terrific multicam when that comes up)……but this is the OR NOT part of this forum and for people still looking for a replacement NLE — if you are comfortable in FCP 7..you’ll be right at home in PP CC”

First of all: I have asked to change the name of the forum, because it has turned into an Adobe PR tool long ago. FCPX has not much to do with it.

Second: If you are comfortable in FCP7…..you will feel right at home in Edius or Media100 or SpeedRazor….because they have tracks. Heck, Edius5 already blew FCP7 out of the water in basically every regard you mention (as long as you don´t directlink to AE or don´t need too many effects and plugins).

If you use FCPX you wonder how you ever could feel comfortable in FCP7…it is extremely clumsy, slow and dumb (you need to tell it constantly what you want to do by toggling stuff on/off). So feeling comfortable in FCP has nothing to do which NLE you will want to use in 5 years. To go that route, “just because” you are in your comfort zone, is very shortsighted as a business and professional.

I am also a cameraman and I played with an early Nikon SLR that shot film (terrible quality) in 2007 I believe. That was way out of the comfortzone as a film production: wacky codec, soft image, basically impossible to judge focus, no audio sync…even the picture didn´t have a constant framerate. But you know what….I knew this was where the puck went. And in 2008 Canon came and we all know every camera now got its path paved by the DSLR revolution.

If you “go where the puck is”…then PP CC might still be your choice, because of certain aspects like tracks, or rather more the direct link to other programs (which we REALLY miss in FCPX), but “feel right at home…..bad argument. IMO FCPX is going where the puck goes. And Apple leads the way. They are following the trend of tapeless, metadata-based production and they do it with a modular package starting below $ 300, so even kids have it for their GoPro films while I can mix GoPro-drone shots with RedRAW images in a 4K timeline. So the entry-level is low financial and in terms of learning curve. And that will help Apple to get into the market as well, because nowadays films are not only edited in studios, but in basically every marketing office. And to be afraid of that as an editor or to say it can´t be professional then is nothing else than being arrogant and unrealistic. They will still hire us for the bigger jobs, but they will cut their Twitter and Facebook clips in telephones and on office-iMacs. So the sheer marketpenetration of FCPX will overwhelm the competitors very fast.

Does this help us professionals? Not necessarily….I agree. But the modular design will allow Apple and developers to give us all we need.

[Bernard Newnham]

[alban egger] “If you “go where the puck is”…then PP CC might still be your choice, because of certain aspects like tracks, or rather more the direct link to other programs (which we REALLY miss in FCPX), but “feel right at home…..bad argument. IMO FCPX is going where the puck goes. And Apple leads the way. They are following the trend of tapeless, metadata-based production and they do it with a modular package starting below $ 300, “

I think a really good way to tell “where the puck is” is to go to the exhibitions. Walk round IBC or NAB and see what the stands who are selling something else are using as an editor. A few years ago it was all FCP. Now – difficult to say from BVS in London. Perhaps someone going to IBC in Amsterdam will offer some insight, though I think it might still turn out to be fragmented.

Bernie

[Herb Sevush]

[alban egger] “First of all: I have asked to change the name of the forum, because it has turned into an Adobe PR tool long ago. FCPX has not much to do with it.”

It is no more an Adobe PR tool than it is an Apple PR tool. As for the forum name, well you can ask, and you can be heard, but sometimes the answer is still no.

[alban egger] “you will feel right at home in Edius or Media100 or SpeedRazor….because they have tracks. Heck, Edius5 already blew FCP7 out of the water in basically every regard you mention (as long as you don´t directlink to AE or don´t need too many effects and plugins).”

Yes, they are the same as long as you don’t need anything – Media 100 and Speed Razor are EOL, Edius is PC only with limited multicam, plug-ins and no direct link to AE – yes they are all quite similar to PPro.

[alban egger] “So the entry-level is low financial and in terms of learning curve. And that will help Apple to get into the market as well, because nowadays films are not only edited in studios, but in basically every marketing office. And to be afraid of that as an editor or to say it can´t be professional then is nothing else than being arrogant and unrealistic. “

The only person on this thread talking about X being unprofessional is you.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Alban Egger]

[Herb Sevush] “For someone who cuts multicam all the time this, more than the hated subscription, is the deal breaker. “

Did you watch this multicam demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGMF59xAmiI&feature=player_embedded#t=306

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[Herb Sevush]

[alban egger] “Did you watch this multicam demo: “

I hadn’t seen it before, so thank you. I didn’t need to see it to know that X’s multicam feature is the best that currently exists.

Unfortunately this demo, like most multicam demos, uses a live performance piece as the example, and live performance cutting is the most rudimentary form of multicam editing. The demo guy was ohhing and ahhing over stuff, like sliding edits and overlapping audio, that any multicam ever created could do.

On the other hand the angle editor’s ability to handle discontinuous shooting within an angle makes my mouth water. I’m still considering X for my future work precisely for this reason, even though the magnetic timeline is totally anathema to my way of working (auditions and compound clips excluded).

10.1 and the pricing of the new MacPro will have a big influence on that decision.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Andy Field]

Alban, thanks for refraining from the expected flame

[ALBAN EDGAR]”To go that route, “just because” you are in your comfort zone, is very shortsighted as a business and professional.

Why do you need to denigrate other opinions to feel good about your choosing FCP X — my note said not a single disparaging remark about X….yet instead of acknowledging that someone might have a different opinion…you chose to shoot it down.

Enjoy your NLE….have fun skating to your puck…..some of us simply need to hit the puck that’s in front of us.

Andy Field
FieldVision Productions
N. Bethesda, Maryland 20852

[Justin Ferar]

Paul- you are the man! Although it seems funny that one can’t just grab the folder with stacked effects and drag it over to a clip.

Thanks for the tip though. This will make me sleep better at night.

[Justin Ferar]

Thanks kevin- already made the request twice. Once for cs6 and for cc.

Paul answered the problem regarding adding multiple effects- something I didn’t know PP could do!

[Andy Field]

tried it – didn’t work

on timline – a wipe transition —

I select the transition (there’s no control click copy – you have to go to edit menu and copy)

go to new transition point (that track IS SELECTED AS WELL AS TARGETED)

Put cursor on transition point – it selects – go to paste – only option is PASTE INSERT – and it just inserts last viewer clip

What am i doing wrong?

Andy Field
FieldVision Productions
N. Bethesda, Maryland 20852