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  • Premiere Pro 2014.2, Project Management, and Closed Captioning

  • Bryce Hoover

    January 29, 2015 at 4:36 pm

    We have discovered that I am unable to Project Manage (Media Manage) a timeline that contains elements that have been close captioned.

    1) When loading a close captioned file into the source window, there is a second video track that appears in the timeline. The video in the second video track is the same as the video in the first track, the only difference being the top track holds the captioning. Deleting this track (the video in track 2) removes the captioning.

    2) When I attempt to project manage a timeline that contains HD (XDCAM HD 422 50Mb) and SD (ProRes 422), sometimes the project will properly cut down the HD footage to just the clips used, but the SD will not. The resulting project size winds up to be the size of the captioned SD sources, all SD sources combined.

    (screen shot of full promo – all clips)

    (screen shot of full promo – NO HD (XDCAM 422 50Mb) clips)

    3) Removing clips one by one with only the graphics being the constant, the project never shrinks down to a manageable size. For example, the timeline has a spot that is :30. In that :30 there is one captioned SD clip that is 1:12, plus a few graphics. When project managing this timeline, the project shrinks to 17.7 GB (846 MB are GFX). The source size of the captioned SD clip is 18.14 GB.

    (promo with only 1 SD close captioned file, plus GFX)

    4) :30 spot containing GFX (846MB) and a single HD (XDCAM 422 50Mb) clip DOES Project Manage down correctly.

    5) :30 spot containing GFX (846MB) and a single :11 HD (XDCAM 422 50Mb) clip and a single captioned :03 SD (ProRes 422) clip will NOT Project Manage down correctly. In this case, the project shrinks to 16.2GB, the captioned SD source file is 11.56GB of that, and the difference of 4.64GB is still too much for :14 of video and 846MB of GFX.

    We noticed all of this with CC v7.2. We thought for sure it would be fixed by CC 2014.2.
    The inability to properly and efficiently Project Manage (Media Manage) has put our switch from FCP on hold for the foreseeable future.
    Proper project management is essential to our workflow.

    Anyone else experienced these issues?


  • Bryce Hoover

    February 13, 2015 at 5:09 pm

    ** update**

    There is a setting in Preferences under Media, “include captions on import”. By default, it’s checked.
    Uncheck it BEFORE importing and the files will come in with no captioning.
    Clips brought in with that setting checked, will ALWAYS have captioning. Premiere Pro flags it somehow and will forever know that it has captioning. The workaround is to rename the clip and reimport it AFTER changing the “include captions on import” preference.
    Following that procedure has fixed my problem.
    Adobe contacted me with this solution.

    Select Source:Individual Clips and NOT Source:Sequence because:
    You would not want to set Source: Sequence for your mixed HD and SD clips because setting it to Sequence will constrain the transcodes to the Sequence settings (it will transcode what matches the Sequence frame size, frame rate, fielding and aspect ratio). If your Sequence is 1920×1080, then whatever is not 1920×1080 will be copied. By setting it to Individual Clips, it will transcode per each clip as long as the Preset can support it (e.g.: ProRes or CineForm can transcode 1920×1080 and 720×480, etc.).

    Also, AUDIO ONLY files (audio recorded without video) will not manage down to only what has been used. The entire clip will be added to the Project Managed media folder.


  • Jeff Bugbee

    November 17, 2016 at 11:19 pm

    Very useful info, thanks Bryce.

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