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[Oliver Peters] “because it’s not really an accurate frame-by-frame representation.”
Erm… no. Of course not. [insert pejorative “duh!” here] I would have thought that’s pretty much a given. I was never talking about nor did I mean frame accurate. It’s just about simply IDENTIFYING any given clip in my project at a glance, as I already wrote.
Unless of course you memorize what “MVI0385xyz” in any given project contains without any reference (chicklet) whatsoever. Because I don’t know how you do it, but if I’m looking for a specific spot, let alone clip, I can identify it immediately—as in the timeframe of milliseconds—by its filmstrip. If you want to scroll, skim, scrub around aimlessly instead until you find what you’re looking for (the only alternative I can think of and personally am left with, if working in that mode), great. Anything but efficient in my book i.e. in the context of my workflow, which is why there is no logical reason for me to use it. And since, as I pointed out, using filmstrips (of whatever size) has no relevant effect on the performance, I don’t see what possible disadvantage as opposed to advantage it could otherwise have. But I’m assuming you can enlighten me? 🙂
[Oliver Peters] “… it doesn’t seem necessary for a lot of folks. But that’s all a matter of choice.”
I believe that was my conclusion also, yes.
[Oliver Peters] “The issue is that Apple has chosen to restrict certain functions of the timeline in that view for no reason that’s been explained.”
Aha. So there’s also some sort of major, unacceptable disadvantage to doing it as I described and demonstrated above, that I’m also unable to recognize?? I’m quite curious. Because sorry, but if someone’s machine can’t work without some major performance hit in THAT setting either (from what I gather your only argument against using anything other option than “chicklet”?), then I’d say FCP or what horrible restrictions Apple has put on FCP’s options, are the very least of their worries. Seriously. In which case, yes, I guess FCP X clearly isn’t their best choice either. Oh well.
– RK
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[Robin S. Kurz] “So there’s also some sort of major, unacceptable disadvantage to doing it as I described and demonstrated above, that I’m also unable to recognize?? I’m quite curious”
You can use whatever mode works best for you. No problem there. You are missing the point that Apple has chosen to restrict the functions among the various timeline views and that affects how you edit when trying to do split edits. It’s not a matter of whether your way works or not. That isn’t the point. If I can expand audio in one view, why not the other?
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[Craig Alan] “I’m not a skilled touch type editor. Though I do like keyboard commands over mousing. “
The one kind of requires the other, no?? 😀
[Craig Alan] “… but 2 up is not displayed.”
Yet another something I personally have never missed or used (neither in X nor legacy). Especially when editing audio, I’m not exactly sure what the point would be either. So I’m probably the wrong person to ask.
[Craig Alan] “Create a split edit by expanding audio/video”
There is no need to explicitly expand the clip first. Simply hitting the aforementioned shortcut(s) will do that for you.
[Craig Alan] “So what I find myself doing is playing the video, setting a marker where i want the split edit to be and then expanding both clip’s audio/video and then using the mouse and trim tool to roll edit the audio to the marker.”
Clearly something you will not need to do ever again.
[Craig Alan] “Or I can skim to the point where I want the split edit and shift x “
Bingo. ⇧+] or [ and ⇧X. Done.
[Craig Alan] “It really should be a simple command, no? Select two adjacent clips, audio could be expanded or not. With the skimmer or playhead where you want the split edit to be, press a command for a split edit. Done.”
Exactly.
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Because sorry, but if someone’s machine can’t work without some major performance hit in THAT setting either (from what I gather your only argument against using anything other option than “chicklet”?), then I’d say FCP or what horrible restrictions Apple has put on FCP’s options, are the very least of their worries. Seriously. In which case, yes, I guess FCP X clearly isn’t their best choice either. Oh well.”
It’s lovely that you don’t get ANY performance hits, but a lot of people like myself and Oliver DO, are you saying FCPX isn’t the best choice for us?
Because I get ZERO performance hit when I use filmstrips and waveforms in PPro, which suggests it’s an FCPX issue
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[Oliver Peters] “You are missing the point that Apple has chosen to restrict the functions among the various timeline views and that affects how you edit when trying to do split edits.”
I’m sorry… among various timeline views?? So now you can’t expand the audio in various timeline views?
Actually, I got it the first time around. I guess I was just trying to give you that last little benefit of the doubt.
Sorry if I can’t get myself to consider functionality not being available in one of six (mind you, not two, not three, no… SIX) possible options as some sort of “restriction” worth wasting this kind of time on. Wow.
Especially in light of the fact—for the third time—that you can have the best of both your worlds with near zero effort as I described above, and you once again chose to avoid pointing to how that is not a solution to the “problem”. I won’t bother speculating as to why, nor do I actually even care anymore at this point.
Certainly none of the aforementioned doubt remains. Cheers.
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[Robin S. Kurz] “I’m sorry… among various timeline views?? So now you can’t expand the audio in various timeline views?
Actually, I got it the first time around. I guess I was just trying to give you that last little scrap benefit of the doubt.
“Are you incapable of engaging in a civil discussion? Why is it that your attitude is always confrontational?
Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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[Robin S. Kurz] “[Craig Alan] “I’m not a skilled touch type editor. Though I do like keyboard commands over mousing. ”
The one kind of requires the other, no?? :D”
Not exactly. I worked in house as a writer at a couple of major production studios. When I went in the edit bays, the pros there could touch type basically anything that was in their heads or the director asked them to do. Just cause I prefer hen pecking at the keyboard doesn’t mean I’m anywhere near that level. Touch typing implies typing without looking.
[Robin S. Kurz] “There is no need to explicitly expand the clip first. Simply hitting the aforementioned shortcut(s) will do that for you.”
Well step one is expanding the audio. The fastest way to select adjacent clips requires the mouse – either rope em or shift click em. Or if there is a keyboard way to select two adjacent clips I’m all ears. Arrow keys & C will select one clip.
[Robin S. Kurz] “[Craig Alan] “It really should be a simple command, no? Select two adjacent clips, audio could be expanded or not. With the skimmer or playhead where you want the split edit to be, press a command for a split edit. Done.”
Exactly.”
Not exactly. They need to be expanded first AFAIK. So that’s six strokes to expand audio for two clips. Or one mouse stroke and one keyboard stroke – way better.
Then two strokes to set the bracket at any edit point on the expanded video/audio and another two or more to select the edit point of choice. Then navigate and set your split edit. Then repeat to collapse both clips.What I’m suggesting is placing your playhead anywhere in the timeline and use a keyboard shortcut that creates a split edit by extending either the audio from the clip before or the clip after without needing to expand first.
Mac Pro, macbook pro, Imacs (i7); Canon 5D Mark III/70D, Panasonic AG-HPX170/AG-HPX250P, Canon HV40, Sony Z7U/VX2000/PD170; FCP 6 certified; FCP X write professionally for a variety of media; teach video production in L.A.
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[Craig Alan] “keyboard shortcut that creates a split edit by extending either the audio from the clip before or the clip after without needing to expand first.
“There is (was) a developer that made a set of tools based on Apple services. These were a set of macros that included shortcuts for split edits in all 4 directions. This did exactly what you are asking for.
Oliver
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Why are you able to quote, but not answer (one of many) simple questions?
– RK
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[Craig Alan] “Not exactly. They need to be expanded first AFAIK.”
I’m not sure if you’re not reading (and trying) what I’ve written, or if I’m completely misunderstanding what it is you’re looking for.
Once again: ⇧] or [ EXPANDS the clip and selects the respective AUDIO edit point. Move skimmer. Hit ⇧X. Done.
– RK
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