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Portent of things to come – huge downloads
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Dear Lord baby Jeebus, lyin’ there in your ghost manger, just lookin’ at your Baby Einstein developmental videos, learnin’ ’bout shapes and colors. I would like to please ask that FCP X be made available to VARs.
Please.
~Michael
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As someone happily living in the still developing world I’d have to say that Steve’s “it’s just a 4GB download, no bigger than an HD movie” (or words to that effect) was wholly typical of first world blinkered vision .. perhaps he genuinely has no idea how long a 4GB download takes on a supposedly 1Mb “broadband” line that can rarely sustain even half that speed and generally gets massively throttled if and when a large download is attempted? Well Steve, on the face of it it should probably take about 12 hours … but out here in the real world it would probably take about at least 3 or 4 time longer including multiple “resumes” after unexpectedly dropped connections (hope the AppStore will be ok with that). Now if I could pop in to an authorized Mac shop and buy a copy on disc then I certainly would (like the SL family pack I bough there last time) … but without that possibility then popping down to Petaling St and buying a knock-off copy starts looking like the best option. Here’s a thought … how about letting me pop into an authorized Mac shop with my laptop and download it over the air directly on the premises from a local cache? That would help me … but I’m still not getting how you plan to help those without the handy Mac shop … and those who’d consider themselves darn lucky to have a fancy 1Mb internet connection like me.
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[Andy Mees] “I’m still not getting how you plan to help those without the handy Mac shop … and those who’d consider themselves darn lucky to have a fancy 1Mb internet connection like me.”
Steve is secretly hoping that the worldwide demand for downloads of OS X Lion will bring down the entire https://WWW so that Apple can create a new version called iWorldWideWeb.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
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Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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My problem isn’t the size of the download, but that I work at a large corporation who purchase everything, including software, from approved distributers on a net 60 basis. Getting finance to set up an iTunes account to purchase software is going to be interesting to say the least.
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As I noted elsewhere I think, you should see the one star ratings for the 4.25GB XCode download in the Mac App Store. It’s just not practical for a huge portion of the world population.
Consider the bandwidth needed for not only Lion but probably for FCPX as well. As Apple adds more large file downloads, especially highly popular ones, to the Mac App Store, there’s the potential for many points of failure.
Since FCPX is coming before Lion, perhaps we are the guinea pigs. When Lion lunches our FCPX installs thing of the added stress of downloading that again after downloading Lion. Thing of all those people who have the speed but have data caps as well.
They have to have a safety net. Even the best tightrope walker may fall once in a while. They can’t allow it to be fatal. Some Clouds may be storm clouds after all.
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More on the problem with businesses using App Store for OSX 10.7 and FCPX…
If you are very small have 5 to maybe 10 systems, if is feasible to download both application onto each machine, but if you extrapolate that to a larger company (10+ machines), it become very unwieldy.
1. How do you buy in bulk? According to Apple you can install the products on as many machines as your iTunes account is authenticated to. That saves money buy causes other problems.
2. You have to download the application to each machine. How can you do a quick deployment if you have to download 4gb (lion) onto 10+ machines?
3. If you can only authenticate to 5 machines in app store, how do you install it on the rest? (Answer: you can’t without creating dummy accounts)
4. As far as Apple is concerned, whoever’s iTunes account the software was purchased with, is the person who owns the software? If I buy software on App store using my corp credit card, I still own the software, not the company.
5. How does a Value Added Reseller address any of these issues? They can’t sell turnkey systems any more.
Sadly, Apple is not addressing these issues at this time. I have it on pretty good authority that the Enterprise account managers are at a loss for what to do.
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Tuaw has a post on how to make your own boot disc of Lion from the App store. You can put it on Flash usb drives or DVD. Doubtful it’s locked into a single account. Most of the apps in the app store don’t have any drm on them.
Odds are they’re going to sell the install Disk too – downloads are being touted because they’re going to be the way ‘most’ people get the update. 4 gigs on our crappy AT&T dsl would probably take two days – across half a dozen machines and we’d be destroyed.
John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.
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Here it is borrowed from the TUAW page: how-to-burn-a-lion-boot-disc
* Use Finder to locate the Mac OS X Lion installer, right-click and select “Show Package Contents”
* Find the SharedSupport folder and look for a file names “InstallESD.dmg”. This is the Lion Boot Disc image.
* Copy the “InstallESD.dmg” file to another folder such as your desktop.
* Launch Disk Utility and click the burn button
* Select the “InstallESD.dmg” copy as the image to burn, insert a DVD, and in a few minutes you will have a brand new Lion Boot Disc.I would imagine that the same would be possible with FCPX… No?
Richard Cooper
FrostLine Productions, LLC
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I’m also in the bad situation to have a really very slow internet connection.
So to download Lion (as a developer) it will take me 10-14 days, if there is no error.
So I’m eager to see how big FCP X will be 🙂Spherico
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What’s going to happen when 2 million plus users all hit the Apple servers at the same time to download the software? Or folks who have spotty internet connections that go out for minutes at a time interrupting downloads….
You might be right on the VAR thing. They download it for their clients and then ship them on discs.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author, Chef.
HD Post and Production
Biscardi Creative Media
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