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“It does not mean FCPX is a “consumer” app because the masses don’t have a great need for many of the features and average folk don’t spend $2k+ on MBPs.”
I have never said or intimated that FCPX is a consumer ap.
I do believe however that many types of complex work will not be done on Imacs, Ipads or MBPs.
For my work I need multiple monitors, specialized keyboards, access to an ever changing array of video cards, memory chips, external storage, and I/O. I don’t believe a single thunderbolt port is up to the task. I still believe that for the next few years hermetically sealed devices will not be as productive as open work stations for complex work flows. And it is exactly this type of work that I believe, without substantiation, that Apple has said good-bye to.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Not if you are using FCPx and want to send straight from FCP to your cluster using Compressor settings. you can only do it with COmpressor 4.
I am also not talking about a virtual cluster, I am talking a multi-machine QMaster cluster. It is a pretty BFD.
Virtual Clusters on one machine are easy, yes, and nbfd.”
Yeah, my bad. I’m thinking virtual cluster (single machine) since the OP sounded like a single machine/single seat shop, and was thinking in that context.
In that case it may very well be worth 50 bucks for render farm guys using X. For a single set shop, doing typical work. Maybe not so much.
Although I do wonder how many multi-machine shops would use an app that has no I/O card support, hence no calibrated monitoring? Seems like driving a 16d nail with a sledge hammer. You can do it, but not with much precision.Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com“If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair
Where were you on 6/21?
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[alban egger] “but you can work with it on a high level already.”
Care to elaborate on how you are doing broadcast quality, or film output without the ability to CC your work using a calibrated monitor, or EDL, LUT’s? Because that is what I would consider “high level”.
Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com“If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair
Where were you on 6/21?
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[Scott Sheriff] “Although I do wonder how many multi-machine shops would use an app that has no I/O card support, hence no calibrated monitoring? Seems like driving a 16d nail with a sledge hammer. You can do it, but not with much precision.”
That train left the station a long time ago, but I don’t know how it done either.
I am imagine every station couldn’t be a finishing station.
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[Herb Sevush] “For my work I need multiple monitors, specialized keyboards, access to an ever changing array of video cards, memory chips, external storage, and I/O. I don’t believe a single thunderbolt port is up to the task.”
I think you will see changes in the Mac line that will resolve these things. The high end iMac has two Thunderbolt ports and each port supports daisy chaining without slow down. I can imagine what the MacPro will look like in a couple of years but you’d only call that speculation.
I do thing that FCPX is part of a makeover of the Mac line. Apple thinks about the long term when they make changes and while you may not like my speculation, I do think the makeover will include professional machines. I do think the concept of the “desktop” computer/workstation is changing.
A MacPro may be a desktop/rack mountable box with maybe 2 16 line cards for GPU use and two or three Thunderbolt ports for video i/o and fast external storage. People seem to forger that Thunderbolt allows for daisy chaining without speed degradation (all Thunderbolt or slow device at end of chain). There may be versions with internal drive slots as well. At some point Intel will implement the Fiber Thunderbolt (for longer runs sans power) which may be used in certain network environments.
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I agree in most of your points from a businessman standpoint. The way Apple forces us to switch to a new NLE is astounding brutal and illoyal.
I made a small switch already by investing Euro 249&89 for X, Motion and Compressor.There are some important features missing that force me to use FCP7 on some projects, not all though. And the missing features are mainly involving the output process.
But the rest, the ingest and media-managment and the editing itself are simply great in X.
you are right: Apple has left the highend market. But , and here comes the difference in our view, FinalcutPRO10 has not left the highend, it has just not entered it yet.
Apple built a great NLE that is just that. An editor. As non-linear as can be.
It will be up to the third party vendors to provide us with the tools needed. I won’t need tape output ever for example. And many of the features that Scott mentioned and you claim essential in an NLE are not needed by all. So we will have to add what we need. It won’t be cheap, but if it is used professionally that won’t matter too much.Color roundtrip? I’d prefer not to. The colourboard in X is imagequalitywise up to par with Color, but it misses a few tools. It’s own layout has to accustomed to, but it works very quick and it allows for secondary corrections easily.
My workflow is kludgy, agreed. It is stupid to use two NLE to do tasks one should be able to so. But i want to be ready when X is and not start then. And after all even with the roundtrips to 7 i am working quicker now!
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Well here we are almost a year later and what has Apple done for us lately with FCP? In a recent call to Apple support I was told to “Use 3rd party products” if I want to do a simple task of rendering to tape and a few other crucial things. What? Also, in Apple forums, I am reading many, many problems with freezes and lock ups which amount from the software not auto saving as specified by the editor. Then, dumping all that work into a land far, far away…. AKA gone in 60 seconds!
I have been editing from the days of A/B/C roll to Avid, FCP (1999 release 1), to FCP 7,(Studio 3). I am in the process of purchasing a new full blown Mac and I am seriously stuck between opting to re-install Studio 3 (yes it’s only 32 bit but hey it can do it all),or going back to the “too many keystroke” Avid platform.
There’s an old school saying of “If somethings not broke, don’t fix it”. And, while all Apple had to do was create a new 64 bit FCP 8 version, sit back and make direct deposits to their bank, they decided to shoot right to version 10 and leave out many of the 6 programs that came with the Studio package. Soundtrack pro was great for me, I actually produced a couple of tunes for clients without having to export into another program. Color 1.5 tweaking worked fine, DVD Studio Pro was good for many of my clients needs. Lets not forget the new 10 will not import work from previous versions either.
A sucker for truth, I posted some concerns about FCP 10 at the Apple blog (which they claim they do not respond to), yet my posts were removed by a monitor whos bio reads “sheep dog breeder/videographer” (for real). He claims that FCP 10 is the greatest thing since the invention of the English Muffin. A quick reality check (that’s real time brain rendering of the facts), will tell me to stand clear of 10 for now, while the FCP future is still locked in a far distant dream of a 64 bit FCP 8. I can still remember those SiFi moves from back in the 90’s where it was date line 2012 and the earth was a complete technological smorgasbord, flying cars and all. Apple has only cued the flying monkeys. There’s no place like 7, there’s no place like 7….
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