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[Craig Seeman] “All you have to do is look at Activity Monitor to see what’s 64bit.
Motion 5 is 64 bit.”Point of fact. You can only do that if you have already bought it. If you are strictly making a purchasing decision based on what is on the web sight, there is a lot of ambiguity in between the tech specs page, and the main page.
And this still doesn’t clear up the question of the 64 bit operation being dependent on the installation of X.BTW, in my OP, I never said anything one way or the other about Motion being 32, or 64 bit. I said Compressor was 32 bit. I said Motion 5 can only open one project at a time, and can only use one monitor, and to me that is a deal breaker.
Just another instance of using misquotes as an excuse to thread jump.
I should be use to it by now, and just let it slide…….sigh………..Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com“If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair
Where were you on 6/21?
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[Craig Seeman] “Apple doesn’t make much money by selling NLEs or NLE upgrades. They make more money selling hardware. I suspect they took the direction they did because they feel they will sell more hardware. Maybe it will, maybe it wont, but given Apple’s profit motive (and not market share motive) they decided to do something different.”
From Apple’s perspective, they like to make “the best” widget, sell it with a nice margin, and ignore things that other business focus on, like market share or customer preference.
Make the best computer, and the money will follow. Make the best software, and the money will follow. Make the best MP3 player, and the money will follow. Make the best phone, and the money will follow. Make the best tablet, and the money will follow.
Since they had to re-write FCP’s outdated core anyway, my guess is that they took the opportunity to make “the best” video editor. So what if that meant throwing out FCP’s legacy or the professional post-production industry’s needs? The money will follow.
Apple doesn’t cater to demand — they create it.
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“I’m looking at this from a business perspective and not as an editor.”
To me it always seemed fairly simple – Apple sells Final Cut to sell high margin workstations, many of which routinely carry Apple Care, among other things, and there is nothing so profitable as extended warranties. Apple has already learned what happens if you leave it up to Adobe and Avid to push your boxes. I think FCPX points to the fact that Apple is now much less interested in selling work stations and therefore was looking for a product to help sell more Ipads, Imacs, & MB Pros.
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This is just my interpretation, I have nothing but observation to go on, and I have a generations long family history of ineptitude when it comes to business.Herb Sevush
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[Scott Sheriff] “New Compressor, is really just the same old 32 bit Compresser with a couple of extra prosumer presets, and a bit of chrome on the UI.”
The simple answer instead to Ben Scott is that it can’t be all 64bit, yet. There’s a reason that it’s not in any of the sources you mention. It has to be the “same old” 32bit Compressor because certain aspects of it can’t be a new 64bit Compressor. So, the reason is not because Apple is lazy or not thinking, the reason is technical, you didn’t really mention that and downplayed the significance. For those people out there who are wondering for a reason why Compressor might not 64 bit when X and Motion are, there’s a pretty good reason. You would agree with at least that much?
It has changed as well, Qmaster is now built it instead of trying to search of two or three different apps and control panels. Setting up a distributed network is less daunting.
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That’s what I see, and I ditto your disclaimer.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “The simple answer instead to Ben Scott is that it can’t be all 64bit, yet. There’s a reason that it’s not in any of the sources you mention. It has to be the “same old” 32bit Compressor because certain aspects of it can’t be a new 64bit Compressor. So, the reason is not because Apple is lazy or not thinking, the reason is technical, you didn’t really mention that and downplayed the significance. For those people out there who are wondering for a reason why Compressor might not 64 bit when X and Motion are, there’s a pretty good reason. You would agree with at least that much?”
Fair enough. But this is all in response to the OP who simply wanted to know what you get/don’t get, when you buy X.
I consider all that minutia of Compressor needing to stay 32 bit TMI in that context. The bottom line is it’s the same old compressor and really does nothing more than the current version.[Jeremy Garchow] “It has changed as well, Qmaster is now built it instead of trying to search of two or three different apps and control panels. Setting up a distributed network is less daunting.”
IMO, that is not worth 50 bucks if you already own FCS2/3. I will admit the documentation on how this works is somewhat lacking, but setting up a cluster is a one time thing and really NBFD. I talked a FCS newbie through the process over the phone yesterday in about 5 minutes. It is no more difficult, or time consuming than doing a permissions repair. And the additional presets in the new Compressor are not anything you can’t do for yourself in the FCS version.
Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com“If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair
Where were you on 6/21?
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[Scott Sheriff] “IMO, that is not worth 50 bucks if you already own FCS2/3. “
Not if you are using FCPx and want to send straight from FCP to your cluster using Compressor settings. you can only do it with COmpressor 4.
I am also not talking about a virtual cluster, I am talking a multi-machine QMaster cluster. It is a pretty BFD.
Virtual Clusters on one machine are easy, yes, and nbfd.
Jeremy
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[Scott Sheriff] “Point of fact. You can only do that if you have already bought it. If you are strictly making a purchasing decision based on what is on the web sight, there is a lot of ambiguity in between the tech specs page, and the main page. “
Another example of Apple’s poor marketing unfortunately.
[Scott Sheriff] “And this still doesn’t clear up the question of the 64 bit operation being dependent on the installation of X.”
I haven’t tested Motion 5 on a non FCPX machine but the app itself shows as 64 bit. Compressor app itself shows as 32bit but I see two CompressorJobControllers, one is 32 bit and the other is 64bit.
[Scott Sheriff] “I never said anything one way or the other about Motion being 32, or 64 bit.”
[Scott Sheriff] “Neither Compressor 4 or Motion 5 list 64 bit operation in the specs on Apple’s web site.”
But you did reference the website. It doesn’t say 64 bits in the specs page but does on their feature pages.
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[Herb Sevush] “Apple is now much less interested in selling work stations and therefore was looking for a product to help sell more Ipads, Imacs, & MB Pros.
“It’s certainly possible that FCPX might sell more iMacs and MBPros but that doesn’t seem to diminish FCPX amongst professionals. I think the MacPro is going to go through some changes over the next two years. That’s why I mentioned in another post that Apple might envision a bunch of satellite stations hooked up to a central device (server/san) which controls the media, events, projects. It certainly seems FCPX would be designed for that, given the metadata handling. I think Thunderbolt ties into this strategy as well.
It does not mean FCPX is a “consumer” app because the masses don’t have a great need for many of the features and average folk don’t spend $2k+ on MBPs.
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[Craig Seeman] ” but that doesn’t seem to diminish FCPX amongst professionals.”
come. on.
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