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  • Plugin Better than Animatte??

    Posted by David Oulashian on August 18, 2005 at 5:03 pm

    Hi,

    Is there a better keying/mask plugin — like Animatte except that allows you to move the layer itself? I don’t know if I need a 3rd party plugin or just need to learn how to do what I need in Animatte???

    Basically I can’t seem to figure out how to mask an object in frame then move masked object around the screen. If I add the 3dWarp effect on top of Animatte in order to move the masked object, it seems to move the whole stack??? Am I missing something?

    Thanks,

    David Oulashian

    Brandon Balin replied 18 years, 3 months ago 5 Members · 8 Replies
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  • Dan Archer

    August 18, 2005 at 6:18 pm

    Its been a while since i had AM, but try stepping in and putting the Warp on the under the Animatte. Then you can move it around.

  • Chris Magid

    August 18, 2005 at 6:29 pm

    This is a limitation of Avid’s effects architecture. You cannot combine matte and fill. The proper method is as described above, step in and apply the 3D warp to reposition your fill. Then make the same adjustments MANUALLY to your Animatte.

    You may check and see if plug ins like Boris Red will allow the above to be performed as one procedure. However all your layering will need to be done in the interface for that plug in. Once you use it or demo it, you will see what i mean.

    chris magid
    rtvf

  • David Oulashian

    August 18, 2005 at 9:58 pm

    Thanks for the response. Does this answer apply to the AVX2/Adrenaline effects architecture? What exactly is AVX2 vs AVX1?

    Thanks,

    David

  • Satesh Ramjattan

    August 18, 2005 at 10:30 pm

    is there a plugin, 3rd party or within, like animatte in the xpress pro family?

  • Chris Magid

    August 24, 2005 at 12:38 am

    IMHO…there is no plug in better than Animatte. Which is not to say Animatte is super-terrific. But, it is integrated.

    The best bet to add Animatte like tools to Xpress Pro is with Boris RED. This is a plug in which will run on almost all Avid systems. It is an AVX 1.5 plug in. So it works on old and new systems.

    For those on the latest major Avid release, Boris Contiuum Complete 4 (BCC4) adds animatte like capabilities with an integrated bezier animatible “pixel chooser”, in all it’s effects. It requires AVX 2. However, layering may be more challenging with BCC4 than Red.

    chris magid
    rtvf

  • Brandon Balin

    January 12, 2008 at 12:26 am

    I just experimented with this and got close, there is one limitation which I’ll list below with a work around.

    First do your cut out with animate, then nest the 3d warp on top and do your animated move you’ll notice how everything will shrink or blow-up do to lack of layer separation(which you think they’d add by now.) time it out even if its rough. Save your animatte and 3d warp templates to your bin.

    Then make a new sequence cut in a white title on v1 and a black title to v2 the sequence needs to be timed to the length of your effect.(you can use plain black and white video if you have it, or an imported file, and skip the next step, plus then it can be batched captured for later uprezing) Select each track and press the remove effect. The title goes away and you’re left with the graphic fill, white and black.

    next on v2 the black track apply your animate template, then nest on top the 3d warp template. You now have a matte that follows the size and motion of your effect. Next collapse the tracks and cut it in the videotrack above your effect, nest the matte key and your hold out matte is complete.(you don’t have to make a separate sequence, but it’s easier to stay organized.)

    Now for the best part!!!! If you have to change for any reason the shape of the animatte or speed/motion of the 3d warp, do it to your video elements, save the animatte and 3d warp templates, then step in to your matte and replace the old effects with the new ones. Instant update.

    When you recreate the sequence for uprez you should note where these are since they’re not titles anymore you can step in mark into out and overcut the black and white segments.(you don’t need to do this if you layed it of to tape or exported it as a file and brought it back in, then it’s a batch capture or import away)

    As for limitations, it works great for making something small to big, big to small exposes the square frame. One workaround to try is to scale the black track bigger than the actual frame size with another 3d warp, I don’t know how bad it will pixelate but it’s a solid color and a matte so it shouldn’t matter.

    Hope this helps.
    Brandon

  • Brandon Balin

    January 16, 2008 at 6:19 am

    Update, you don’t have to remove the title effect, at the time the machine was giving me nesting problems. So you cand do all of the steps abouve minus removing the title effect. Then on uprez re-creat title media.

    B

  • Brandon Balin

    January 21, 2008 at 7:16 am

    Ok, additional updadte. The animate on the black title conflicted with the title’s alpha matte. To solve this, nest the submaster effect on the title then your animatte. Now you have a toataly recreatable effect.

    Brandon

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