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  • Please help!! DVC pro 720p30 is acting STRANGE!

    Posted by Herb Sevush on April 22, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    We shot DVC pro HD 720p 30. We created an easy setup in FCP for sequences and capture settings in DVCpro 720p 30. BUT when I capture my clips, they come in with 60 frames! The clip info says they are 29.97 tc, but 720p60 compressor. Where on earth are these extra frames coming from??

    Please Help!!
    THANKS!

    Herb Sevush
    Zebra Productions

    Jeremy Garchow replied 18 years ago 5 Members · 34 Replies
  • 34 Replies
  • Sean Oneil

    April 22, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    How are you capturing it? Firewire? Final Cut already has an Easy Setup for 720p30 firewire capture.

    Sean

  • Jeremy Garchow

    April 22, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    The official name of the codec is 720p60. As long as your vid rate says 29.97 you are fine. This is true for all frame rates the DVCPro HD supports, including 24p. It’s the ‘Vid Rate’ column that will tell you your frame rate (or the timecode/userbits tab of your Kona card).

    Jeremy

  • Herb Sevush

    April 22, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Thanks Jeremy!

    But why do my clips have 60 frames in the viewer? I’m creating batch lists to ensure accuracy for my multicam clips and am unable to work with 60f batch lists. apparently FCP only works with 29.97 batch lists. When I import these lists I get all sorts of weird results, suddenly some clips are non drop when they should be drop and there are random tc changes.

    Any idea why? Thanks again!

    Herb Sevush
    Zebra Productions

  • Herb Sevush

    April 22, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    We were surprised to find there actually wasn’t one for firewire. Only 720p60, so we made our own.

    Herb Sevush
    Zebra Productions

  • Jeremy Garchow

    April 22, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    [Herb Sevush] “But why do my clips have 60 frames in the viewer?”

    Just like the Varicam shoots base 30 timecode. Each frame number represents two frames. In FCP you can choose to show 30 or 60 frame based tc. On tape and in the deck, all the tc is 30 base so make sure FCP is tracking that information as such.

    Jeremy

  • Sean Oneil

    April 22, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    I have one in my list, and I sure didn’t make it.

    Sean

  • Herb Sevush

    April 22, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Sean –

    My last post was a mistake. We are using the DVCPRO HD 720P30 easy set-up. What doesn’t exist, surprisingly, is a blackmagic easy-setup for 720P30. They have one for 720P60 and 720P24 but nothing for 30. I prefer going in HD-SDI myself, but am forced to go in via firewire – and now I’m having this strange behavior of the clips. They play fine in a 720P30 timeline but in the viewer and in the browser they indicate having 60 frames. I’ve never edited in 720P30 before and I’m tryihg to figure out if this is normal or I’m having a problem.

    Thanks.

    Herb Sevush
    Zebra Productions

  • Herb Sevush

    April 22, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    Jeremy

    In FCP you can choose to show 30 or 60 frame based tc

    How do you make the clips show 30 frames. Right now they show 60.

    Thanks

    Herb Sevush
    Zebra Productions

  • Sean Oneil

    April 22, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    Why do you prefer HD-SDI over firewire? You are aware that by using HD-SDI, you cannot capture natively?

    I don’t wish to spark any argument over how trivial the generation quality hit is or isn’t. Just making sure you understand that just because you choose to re-encode the DVCProHD codec, that does not make it a native workflow.

    Sean

  • Herb Sevush

    April 23, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Sean –

    I am aware of the none native nature of HD-SDI capture. I have had any number of problems using firewire and the 1200A =and my many conversations with the techs at Panasonic have not made me any too confident in trusting my HD workflow to firewire if it can be avoided. I’ll take any theoretic loss when using HD-SDI in exchange for it’s stability. In the case of 720P30 I’m seemingly stuck with firewire and am just trying to survive.

    Herb Sevush
    Zebra Productions

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