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  • Lance Bachelder

    March 23, 2012 at 7:45 am

    The new timeline rules! Love everything about this rev so far. If PPro is anything like this it could do really well.

    Lance Bachelder
    Writer, Editor, Director
    Irvine, California

  • Frank Gothmann

    March 23, 2012 at 8:15 am

    [Chris Harlan] ” But, what is Bill on about? Am I missing something? Is there some slight of hand that I’m not attuned to in the video? I mean, I really can’t see it.”

    You’re not missing anything. It Is NOT magnetic. It’s just a nice, little video add on with a nice litte timeline that has tracks and allows you to ripple.
    Oh, did I say it’s not magnetic???

  • Steve Connor

    March 23, 2012 at 8:36 am

    Good grief, it was a joke!

    Steve Connor
    “FCPX Professional”
    Adrenalin Television

  • Aindreas Gallagher

    March 23, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    [Chris Harlan] “I’m just so confused here. Bill’s doing hyperbolic handstands”

    that’s confusing? 😉

    http://www.ogallchoir.net
    promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

  • Daniel Frome

    March 23, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    I can see Adobe’s engineering history now…

    FCPX comes out with magnetic timeline. Out of touch Adobe Exec: “Crap…apple is doing something trendy! Quick, implement this!”

    1 year later: Adobe Exec: “OK well that didn’t pan out. Just hand off the code to the photoshop team. Keep doing that normal video editing stuff you do.”

  • Tony West

    March 23, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    [Dominic Deacon] “The revolution is in taking away the ability to turn it off.”

    Isn’t weather it’s on or not determined by which delete key you hit?

    If I hit the delete key it slides shut, if I hit the delete x key it leaves a gap.

    So is it really on, until I make a choice which key

  • Walter Soyka

    March 23, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    [Dominic Deacon] “The magnetic timeline is essentially the same as editing in tracks locked, ripple mode in other editors. It’s not that revolutionary.”

    I disagree. I think FCPX’s magnetic timeline is revolutionary. It’s a complete rethinking of an edit’s data model, and it’s a sudden and drastic change.

    The classic timeline data model is all about placing clips freely in absolute time. The clips have no codified relationship to each other.

    The FCPX timeline data model is hierarchical: there are parent/child relationships between clips. You get FCPX’s magnetism “for free” because a child clip’s location in time is relative to its parent; it has no concept of absolute time by design.

    This is a major engineering change that affects the way you edit with FCPX. Editorial now involves explicitly managing the relationships between clips in an edit in a way that doesn’t exist with other apps. FCPX is built for defining the relationships between clips, not defining their position in time.

    The term “magnetic timeline” pulls together a bunch of ideas: clip connections, collision avoidance, lanes as auto-collapsing tracks, object models (primary storyline, secondary storyline, connected clips) and relative time. They’re interrelated, but with a different data model, they wouldn’t all be required [link].

    I love clip connections. I think that’s a great idea, and I think an NLE should be able to track the relationships between clips when an editor asks it to. Given clip connections, I think a form of collision avoidance makes sense. It’s the auto-collapsing timeline, object models and relative time that give me the heebie jeebies.

    Back on point, I agree with the others: Photoshop CS6’s timeline is rippling, not magnetic.

    Walter Soyka
    Principal & Designer at Keen Live
    Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
    RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
    Creative Cow Forum Host: Live & Stage Events

  • Richard Herd

    March 23, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    The problem is getting a small bit of footage into another app. I wrote about it below.

  • Richard Herd

    March 23, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    [David Lawrence] “Range export is a very very simple production need. It has nothing to with delivery or distribution.”

    Additionally, it needs an “add to project/event/keyword after export” option.

  • Jim Giberti

    March 23, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    [Walter Soyka] “I love clip connections. I think that’s a great idea, and I think an NLE should be able to track the relationships between clips when an editor asks it to. Given clip connections, I think a form of collision avoidance makes sense. It’s the auto-collapsing timeline, object models and relative time that give me the heebie jeebies.”

    Walter, I think this is a very succinct and accurate explanation why this paradigm fails for so many professionals.

    The reason that Apple decided to take a good idea for some editors, some of the time and turn it into a new overarching concept in editing is baffling.

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