People using Team Projects?

[Oliver Peters]

There are two ways to share – via the cloud and local collaboration (like in Avid). Which way do you want to work? The cloud method requires both users to be on the same account and project files are not hosted locally. If you are just in a shared project, then you have two or more systems connected on a shared storage network.

– Oliver

Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com

[Nicholas Lear]

Hi Oliver

And by the way, I have read many of your answers over the years, thank you.

I’m talking about the former, the cloud collaboration “team project” (https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/team-projects.html),

not the local “shared project” (https://larryjordan.com/articles/adobe-premiere-pro-cc-2018-shared-projects/).

The other editor and I would each have an external RAID with the same copy of all the rushes and we will be in different locations.

I’m trying to get an idea of whether people have seen it work or if it’s still a bit buggy. I mean there’s a thread on the Adobe forum where they admit to deleting some of the projects from the beta stage (https://forums.adobe.com/message/10094440#10094440)!

[Oliver Peters]

[Nicholas Lear] “And by the way, I have read many of your answers over the years, thank you.”

Thanks for the kind words. Unfortunately I’ve never used the cloud solution and the only users that I’ve interviewed for stories were in the early days. It is my understanding, though, that both you and the other editor have to be on the same team license. It might be better just swapping project files back and forth. Somewhat like this:

https://digitalfilms.wordpress.com/2017/04/07/five-came-back/

– Oliver

Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com

[Nicholas Lear]

Yes, Adobe support did confirm we’d have to be on the same team license and in this case that is fine as the other editor is also my client and he is going to pay for my license as I normally edit on Resolve.

We could swap project files, but I am intrigued to try this team project method and see how it works.

[Nicholas Lear]

This is very helpful, thank you Dave.

Are you able to offer any specifics of where it is not yet functioning as it should? E.g. Saving projects, conflict resolution, etc?

From what I can gather, the main project is stored in the cloud, which is a bit worrying. Though I think each editor has what they are doing being saved to a local database on their machine, so even if they are offline for a time, it can sync up later.

Certainly more to go wrong with this set up and it does seem safer to wait for a bit.

Still, in the long run it will be very useful.

[Oliver Peters]

[Dave LaRonde] “You know all those glowing, glitzy success stories Adobe features in its marketing literature? Don’t those companies have exotic hardware? They do, but those successful companies ALSO have very talented IT folks who re-write the Adobe code to get it to work as billed.”

Well… Just a bit of push-back. The company I freelance at most of the time is running multiple seats on a shared storage network. There is no IT staff and all software is “stock”. Machines are various newer Macs with minimal external gear (BMD UltraStudio Express, Onyx audio i/o, docks, etc.). There are certainly hiccups, but our experience with Premiere has been excellent. At least as good or better than with FCPX. Probably not quite as good as an Avid/Unity/Isis/Nexis set-up.

But, I would agree with your concerns about the Team Projects. I personally haven’t tried it, because we have no need for cloud-based sharing of projects. Team Projects originally started as a local, server-hosted situation under the banner Adobe Anywhere. To my understanding, the adoption and success was limited, so now the cloud approach is the lighter-weight, “second gen” version of this.

https://digitalfilms.wordpress.com/2014/07/11/adobe-anywhere/

https://digitalfilms.wordpress.com/2015/01/29/adobe-anywhere-and-divine-access/

– Oliver

Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com

[Oliver Peters]

[Nicholas Lear] “From what I can gather, the main project is stored in the cloud, which is a bit worrying. Though I think each editor has what they are doing being saved to a local database on their machine, so even if they are offline for a time, it can sync up later.”

I’m not sure about that. I believe the syncing is between your edits and the cloud, but that the actual edit project file – “database” – is only in the cloud. More here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MirFi1IqyJM

Although Larry’s webinar does seem to indicate that Team Projects are not limited to the Cloud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgqwSVexPQI

– Oliver

Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com

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[Nicholas Lear]

I was getting it from what Adobe staff wrote in this post https://forums.adobe.com/message/10094440#10094440

To clarify how data is stored in Team Projects:

1. When you create a Team Project, a database is created on the workstation where you create it. All of your edits are written to that local database (as “auto-saves”). When you are connected to the cloud, your local database is backed up to the cloud. Your local database contains all of the auto-saves that were created on that workstation using that Mac or Windows account.

2. The first time you open an existing Team Project on a workstation, the current state of the database from the cloud is copied to that workstation, and is updated on that workstation moving forward, and synced to the cloud as well. This is also what would happen if you opened a Team Project after deleting your local database.

3. The local databases for every Team Project you have opened on a given workstation are stored (off the top of my head) in “~/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Common/Team Projects Local Hub” (Mac), and “%APPDATA%\Adobe\Common\Team Projects Local Hub” (Windows).

[Oliver Peters]

[Nicholas Lear] “I was getting it from what Adobe staff”

This is great info. Thanks. Any idea whether these files are retained or overwritten when synced with the Cloud version?

– Oliver

Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com

[Nicholas Lear]

No, I’m not sure.