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  • PAL/NTSC Conversion Mistake

    Posted by Mandart on November 1, 2006 at 7:34 am

    Hi,
    I am stuck with a project for not checking the format before I started the project. Now here’s the situation.
    I am editing a documentry of around an hour’s duration. It was shot in India on a PAL format. The editor working before me had already captured the footage. So when I was assigned for editing I opened a timeline in NTSC setting (Details below) & edited the whole program with PAL footage clips. It asked for rendering for time & again, but since I haad never worked in mixed formats it never struck to me about the different format. Now at the time when the original editor is back & he noticed this mistake. He has tried to open a timeline in PAL setting & cut paste the entire program, however it is asking for hours of rendering & also the file resolution differs. How would I be able to go back to the orginal PAL format without rendering & maintaining the orginal resolution. I would deeply appreciate if anyone can suggest some solutions to this problem.

    Orginal Source
    DV PAL, CCIR 601
    720X576
    25FPS
    Audio 48K/16 Bit Integer

    Timeline Settings
    NTSC DV
    3:2
    720X480
    Pixel: NTSC CCIR 601 DV
    720X480

    Field: Lower Even
    29.97
    Compressor: DV/DVC Pro NTSC

    Thank you.

    Regards,
    MANDAR

    Uli Plank replied 19 years, 10 months ago 3 Members · 5 Replies
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  • Paul Dickin

    November 1, 2006 at 4:59 pm

    Hi
    Once you have copied and pasted your timeline to a new PAL Sequence, select ALL the video clips, and in the Edit Menu>Remove Attributes select Distort and click to remove the -20% vertical distortion that FCP has applied in the distort field of the Motion tab.
    Get rid of any trace of NTSC-format rendering to be on the safe side.

  • Mandart

    November 1, 2006 at 11:13 pm

    Paul , Thanks a ton. I am trying to do according to what you have said, but the edit menu only has Remove distortion, so I am confussed.
    It would be really kind of you if you can explain ” click to remove the -20% vertical distortion that FCP has applied in the distort field of the Motion tab”

    Regards,
    MANDAR

  • Uli Plank

    November 2, 2006 at 7:50 am

    Sorry for being the one to bring bad news.
    I’m afraid you’ll have to redo the whole project, since there’s one thing you can’t change after the fact: Your NTSC timeline has 29,97 fps, PAL needs 25. Unfortunately you can’t change this value when there’s already something in the timeline, so image size is not your worst problem. While FCP accepts different speeds in the clip and in the sequence, it will not do a smooth conversion. That’s why we need tools like Graeme Nattress’ for PAL <-> NTSC conversion.

    Regards,

    Uli

    Author of “DVDs gestalten und produzieren”, a book on professional DVD-authoring in German.

  • Mandart

    November 2, 2006 at 9:41 am

    Uli,
    My first question is, Since my footage is already in PAL, than how am I able to view it in NTSC timeline?
    Isn’t it possible to retain my edit if I paste back the Same PAL footage which I have edited in NTSC timeline , back to PAL timeline?
    Can you suggest any other methods , Since I took 3 months to edit this program & I have to submit it for broadcast in another 2 weeks.
    Please let me know.
    Thanks you very much!
    MANDAR

  • Uli Plank

    November 2, 2006 at 10:51 am

    Hi Mandar

    You can see it because FCP is (more or less) able to mix and match everything (even if changes in speed won’t look perfect). It should have shown you the red bar and have forced you to render the footage, though, when it was first cut it. What you can do is this:

    – set up a PAL timeline (matching precisely the settings of your source clips)
    – open your NTSC timeline, keeping them both open
    – double click on every clip in the NTSC sequence, so it opens in the viewer
    – drag the clip from the viewer into the PAL timeline

    If you don’t need rendering in the PAL version, everything should be OK.

    Regards,

    Uli

    Author of “DVDs gestalten und produzieren”, a book on professional DVD-authoring in German.

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