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  • PAL with 20.97 or NTSC woth 60 fps – Is that possible?

    Posted by Miodrag Ristic on September 18, 2006 at 1:36 am

    If anyone can explain this one to me, I’m completely dumbfounded;

    There are clips used for Motion templates in FC Studio that have funny attributes.
    How come that a PAL video clip (720 x 576) can have a 29.97 frame rate,
    or a NTSC clip with 60 fps?

    Clips can be found in

    /Library/Application Support/DVD Studio Pro/Apple/Transitions/Satin Blue.NTSC.dsptransition/Contents/Resources/SatinBlue.mov

    or just type in “satin” in your Spotlight and you’ll get whole bunch of clips listed with funny frame rate combinations.

    Mick

    Rafael Amador replied 19 years, 7 months ago 2 Members · 7 Replies
  • 7 Replies
  • Rafael Amador

    September 18, 2006 at 2:13 am

    Hi Miodrag
    You can do it too. A PAL with 12, or 33, or..up to you. Or NTSC with 25, or.. You can do it yourself. Just change the parameters (size, interlacing,pixels aspect..) of the sequence you are working with (FC,PPro). When you export, you get the film that you have ‘designed’. Off course they are not standart PAL or NTSC.
    I sow the “Satin” that you say. I think I remember they were PAL 50f/s. If you work with progresive
    images, in this way you get the same smoothness in your image that you would get with interlaced, and you avoid the upper-lower issue.
    Salud,
    Rafael

  • Miodrag Ristic

    September 18, 2006 at 8:35 am

    Hi Rafael,

    I work with DV, Canon XM2, does that mean that I should
    De – Interlace those clips if using with my regular DV PAL 25fps?

    Thanks for clearing this one up for me.

    Salute

    Mio

  • Rafael Amador

    September 18, 2006 at 9:30 am

    The footage from your Cannon (MiniDV) are lower first. When you put other kind of footage toguether in the same time line, you must to be aware of the field-dominance. When you import footage to your project the software set the dominance. FC or PP think that DV is always lower-first or 10b Unc is Upper-firs. But some times is not like that. As you asked about the frames per second of a PAL can be 32, you can export DV Upper-first. With many footage (the Satin for example) you really don’t know the field order untill you put it in your time-line and render. When you see something horrible in your film then you realize that was a mistake with the field order. In programs like AE or Shake is easier to detect the problem, because you can play the image field by field (FC and PP only frame by frame). Wen you play field by field and is set wrong, the image jump noticeably. This is a good reason for using an external interlaced monitor. Even a TV make the job. In the computer screens many times you can not see the mistakes of the field order properly.
    The one of the Satin (I used once and I think remember) is 50fr/s and progresive. Having 50 images per second, you can slow it down getting a very smooth movement.Been progresive you can put in any time-line (Upper or Lower first) with out problem. A progresive image you can readit as progresive, upper-first or lower-first, and do not make any difference because there is not movement inside the picture.
    I hope this help you, and if you need any other information, write me.
    Salud,
    rafael

  • Miodrag Ristic

    September 18, 2006 at 1:47 pm

    Rafael,

    Yes, that’s make sense.

    Thanks

    Mick

  • Rafael Amador

    September 18, 2006 at 1:59 pm

    Forgot to tell you. The most of theese images are computer generated. Normally they export like a sequence pf PNG 16b or so. For distribution the make PhotoJPG to get smaller size and high qualiti.
    salud

  • Miodrag Ristic

    September 21, 2006 at 1:14 am

    When we already touched it, how can I use those HD video clips (computer generated)
    in my PAL DV workflow / timeline?

    For example I’ve just got a set of royaltee free video in HD, from a magazine.
    The format Photo – JPEG, 1280 x 720, Millions
    Movie FPS: 30

    Do I convert them in FCP, Export > QT Conversion …
    or something else?

    Thanks

    Mick

  • Rafael Amador

    September 21, 2006 at 3:53 am

    Hi Mick,
    Just import them to FC and make sure that the set-ups in the Brownser are correct. I know that people find some problems because the files are high definition when they try to set thenm in a lower definition time line (Is happens the same when you import to FC a very big still).
    I never used such a big files and I can not tell you how to do it in the best way. But there are few articles in the web about “Downconverting HD to SD”. This is what your looking for.
    salud,
    rafael

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