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  • PAL to NTSC conversion with 25p

    Posted by Julian Ford on July 22, 2005 at 2:02 am

    Hi guys,
    I am just doing a bit of research into converting our PAL showreel into NTSC. I am a little hazy on interlacing so bear with me and ask the right questions and hopefully we can solve with this quickly! We master out all of our jobs from Flame which does not operate in fields I believe. I have subsequently captured these jobs into my G5 using a blackmagic SD card into final cut pro. The capture settings for fields was set to none. I now have these quicktimes that I want to convert to NTSC. I believe the blackmagic card usually operates in upper field first. Does this make a difference given that I think the footage was progressive to start with?
    Next, I have been looking at these twixtor / fields kit tutorials around the place. Now, is there any benefit to converting my 25P footage to 50P befroe performing a frame rate conversion (and do i need fields kit for such a conversion?)
    thanks….
    Jules,

    Shin Kurokawa replied 20 years, 10 months ago 2 Members · 1 Reply
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  • Shin Kurokawa

    July 22, 2005 at 1:58 pm

    RE: fields in flame
    Usually one would deinterlace the source clip
    (making it 2x the length by separating fields),
    process/roto it, then reinterlace it again.
    You can set the field dominance in flame in
    the Format menu. You can also export image seqs
    that you can import into your other machines
    without going the tape route.

    RE: 25p->50p
    Depending on what you need to do, there maybe
    some benefit in twixtoring a 25p to 50p,
    in terms of visual quality, but you may need
    to weigh it against the longer work hours spent. 🙂

    RE: PAL->NTSC
    I assume what you really want to do is to
    convert a progressive PAL to progressive NTSC.
    There are 2 basic methods:
    1) 25p -> 30p
    2) 25p -> 24p + 3:2pulldown
    The differences are…:
    #1 requires increasing the framerate.
    #2 reduces the framerate, but uses the standard
    pulldown to simulate the normal movie-on-TV(NTSC)
    look. In this case, the result is interlaced,
    but if you have a TV that removes pulldown on
    the fly (there are many on the market now) then
    you can actually look at the progressive content.
    Similarly, if you have a DVD encoder that detects
    pulldown, you can save a lot of space by
    encoding it progressive. The pulldown can
    be added to 24p clips automatically using
    for ex., a video i/o card such as the BMD or
    Igniter. If not, there’s a need to render
    24p->60i(w/3:2added).

    Now, we could do the above in 2 ways:
    with temporal reinterpretation using Twixtor,
    or without Twixtor. For instance, if you
    simply stick a 25fps clip in a 30fps
    timeline w/o Twixtor, you would get a speedup
    and decrease in TRT (total running time).
    Most people find this annoying since the
    resulting action looks funny and the audio pitch
    shift is very noticeable (although audio can be
    pitch corrected using an external application),
    but many find it acceptable in the case
    of 25p->24p (or 24p->25p) where the
    speedup/down factor is fairly small —
    in fact, this is done all the time around
    the world! 🙂 With Twixtor, you can preserve
    the TRT if you need to; in both #1 and #2
    above, Twixtor will actually create/interpolate
    new inbetween frames.

    (I should also add that 25p->60i w/Twixtor
    interpolation is possible. In this case
    you will no longer see a progressive image
    sequence – unless there’s no motion whatsoever.
    Where there’s motion, things will look much/
    overly ‘smoother’ because of the framerate
    increase.)

    Note: we’re only talking about framerates
    here. There’s also the issue of pixel aspect
    ratio and resolution differences and so on.
    For more information, check out the basics
    tutorial on the Twixtor page:
    https://revisionfx.com/rstwixtor/DetailedTwixtor45Tuts.zip

    HTH!
    -Shin

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