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  • P2CMS obsolete for Final Cut 7?

    Posted by Chris Walsh on April 1, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    I’ve been doing a lot of P2 work recently, and using an old, pre-Final Cut workflow from my Avid days.

    I use P2CMS (the panasonic software) to ingest the cards to my hard drive, then into FC7 via log and transfer. I use P2CMS to copy twice (one primary and one backup), and then to confirm the contents of the copied directories.

    I’ve been having uneven FC results (to put it mildly), sometimes FC can see the footage, sometimes with spans, sometimes without, sometimes not at all. I always have to open each folder and point it to the contents directory.

    I realize it’s not the software, it’s me. Have I selected the wrong option in P2CMS (ingest vs. export?). Should I forget P2CMS, and get Shotput to do my hard drive copy and backup? Any suggestions welcome.

    Chris Walsh

    http://www.musicfog.com
    Silver Spring, MD
    Final Cut & AVID MC5
    Former Windows User and edit* lover

    John Heagy replied 14 years, 5 months ago 5 Members · 19 Replies
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  • Chris Tompkins

    April 1, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    A lot of folks love Shotput.
    I choose “Export” w/ Verify on from within P2CMS and have not had any problems with it

    Chris Tompkins
    Video Atlanta LLC

  • Shane Ross

    April 1, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    P2CMS, IMHO, was obsolete out of the gate. Horrid application to deal with. I have used P2 Genie (now gone) and ShotPut Pro only for all my tapeless offloads.

    Shane

    GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD…don’t miss it.
    Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def

  • Chris Tompkins

    April 1, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    I know you hate P2CMS Shane.

    I don’t mind it all that much. Does the job.

    Chris Tompkins
    Video Atlanta LLC

  • Shane Ross

    April 1, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    YOU know I hate it. But the other Chris didn’t.

    Horrid app…

    Shane

    GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD…don’t miss it.
    Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def

  • John Heagy

    April 3, 2011 at 1:49 am

    I agree, P2CMS is a typically poorly designed Panasonic P2 product. I does a few things we find handy. We use it to combine multiple cards into one CONTENTS folder, or as we call it, an “Uber Card”. We then use P2CMS to modify the xml metadata, specifically “Program name”. We use Calibrated MXFImport to map this to Tape/Reel. Panasonic felt it necessary to omit that time honored and important metadata. We require it.

    Never used Shot Put… can it do the above! We’d dump P2CMS in a second if it did. Didn’t find anything on Imagine’s web site to indicate it does.

    Thanks
    John Heagy

  • Michael Morabe

    December 2, 2011 at 12:12 am

    I’ve tried several ways to get our footage off to external/internal drives and even using “export > Compare” for verification, it doesn’t want to span the clips. 3 clips that turn into 6 is getting very annoying. Am I missing something here?

  • John Heagy

    December 2, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    Hi Michael,

    Nice use of search digging up this old post!

    Using P2CMS to move P2 media will simply move it and not merge spanned clips. P2CMS will show the clips as merged but the actual .mxf files will not be merged into one. Where are you seeing 3 clips and where are you seeing 6?

  • Michael Morabe

    December 2, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    My process is basically loading up the P2 cards, launching p2cms, offloading the footage to internal drive > external drive, then using RayLight to instantly work with the files. Maybe it’s the fact that RayLight is just finding XMF files and creating .mov links from those files without looking for spanned info.

    So after RayLight does this and imports the files into FCP, instead of 3 clips that I want (all 3 are spanned), I get 6 individual clips that I have to work with instead =/

    FCP 7 Editor, Gaffer, Grip, Camera man…Swiss Army Knife!

  • John Heagy

    December 2, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Never worked with Raylight but suspect you are correct in that it does not merge spanned clips.

    The only apps I’m aware of that do correctly merge spanned clips are FCP7 and CatDV with the mxf option and Calibrated’s MXF Import. I’m sure you’re familiar with how FCP does it. CatDV w/mxf along with MXF Import will present spanned clips correctly in a CatDV catalog. From there you can export them as reference movies or send them directly into FCP. The only thing about sending them into a FCP project is it will make a seq with the clips edited together, not a single movie.

  • Michael Morabe

    December 2, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Thanks! We have used log and transfer for a long time now, but ever since updating to 7 on all our systems, it always creates digital artifacts no matter how we try it. So I had started looking into alternate ways to speed up our workflow with no problems, so we started with the P2CMS route.

    I’ll check on the other 2 programs you mentioned. Thanks so much!

    FCP 7 Editor, Gaffer, Grip, Camera man…Swiss Army Knife!

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