P2 archiving?

[Noah Kadner]

Take your pick- there’s dozens if not hundreds of tape, optical, flash and hard drive based archiving devices. You could also run out to tape if you happen to have an HD deck lying around. Not really a killer app one yet but then again we still have no camera.

Noah

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I think the most effective archiving could be DVD blue and HD DVD.
You could store up to 30gig onto one disk.
I guess this could be cost effective as well.
I have no idea when will this kind of DVD burners be available and how much this will cost.Maybe Jan might let us know.
I am sure HD DVD burners will be cheaper then any HD recorders.
jiri vrozina

[Steve Connor]

https://www.videosystems.com/e-newsletters/HD_Disc_Contenders092205/

I think this would probably do rather a nice job!

Steve Connor
Cardinal HD

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.[Steve Connor]
“https://www.videosystems.com/e-newsletters/HD_Disc_Contenders092205/

I think this would probably do rather a nice job!”

Steve,
I think it is great for archiving,but P2 or some sort of Sony Memory Stick will be better,smaller.I imagine within 2 years we will see P2 cards with about 64Gig capacity.
Because camcorders no longer require moving parts video recorders,cost of camcorders using memory stick will go down as well.
2 years ago my DVCPRO Panasonic 910 cost me about $25,000,today Panasonic 700 can do more and it costs only about $13,000 plus P2 memory.
What prohibits it at the moment is the COST of P2 memory…but it will change soon.
I think Sony are making grave mistake if they choose any kind of Disk recording for their camcorders.Sony have always being great inovators,now is time for them to introduce their version of P2.Just imagine if P2 stick would cost $4 per one.
Everyone would be happy.
Who would believe 2 years ago,that under $6,000 one could purchase true HD camcorder soon??
This is all meant as a friendly discussion about video recording options.
Jiri Vrozina

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Sorry mate,I made mistake,I wanted to post it somwhere else.
Sorry again.
jiri

[Donatello]

i believe panasonic started with recording to DISC but ran into problems and then went P2 .. if you go to panasonic’s lecture on P2 at resfest you’ll see that they tip their hat to sony for working out the DISC problems …
XDCAM is here and it offers some solutions to the high cost of p2 cards and some of the archieving questions that many are asking about P2 … time will tell if there is room for both systems and to where ( hi $$ production, med, low production) each fits in …

[Jan Crittenden livingston]

jiri vrozina wrote:I think the most effective archiving could be DVD blue and HD DVD.

Hi Jiri, This would work for what I consider short form, but actually for larger projects, I think I would rather look at something that I could put the entire project onto, if possible. I think in terms of HD because of my closeness to the HVX200, so if you are working in DV50 or 25 divide by 2 or 4 respectively. DVCPRO HD in full frame rate 60i or 60Pis roughly 1 gB per minute. I have been looking at DLT or LTO drives, there is a wide variety and in general you can get a 200GB tape pack for one of these as cheaply as $50. Certainly Hard drives for near-time storage and editing functionality, and backup even while on set to the DLT.

Dell has a very nice and fast little DLT drive that the machine cost is about $2250 or so, and the Drives are cheap, geing the cost per Gig of storage down to 25 cents per gig. Compare this to 30 minutes or 30 gigs of DVCPRO tape storage which is $25 -$30 per half hour of tape(street price for the smart shopper) which of course is .83 to $1.00 per gig. Of course in tape there is the additional cost of digitizing, but I am going to assume we all know that.

>I guess this could be cost effective as well.

The Blue-ray or the HD-DVDas well as the DVD-R might be fine for short form and news or standard def storage, but as I said I like to think big in the storage arena.

There also are some rather cutting edge things coming, I think are notable and worth watching like the Holographic Blue Laser Technology, 300 GBs on a DVD sized disk. Or the Quantum Metadata aware DLT. The more we think of the video as data the more the IT industry can proffer a solution.

Hopes this adds to the conversation,

Jan

Jan Crittenden Livingston
Product Manager, DVCPRO, DVCPRO50, AG-DVX100
Panasonic Broadcast & TV Systems

[Steve Connor]

Incorporate DLT into your workflow, do you know what DLT records to -TAPE. So much for P2 bringing you a tapeless workflow!

Sorry had to get that off my chest! I use DLT all the time when we author DVD’s and it’s such an antique piece of technology I hate the stuff, it’s so SO slow. For me it would be a real step backwards to use DLT on a daily basis. Why on earth wouldn’t you want to use a more modern storage medium, the first holographic units start shipping in about 9 months apparently, which should coincide with P2 media prices dropping even further.

I think Panasonic should be on this question – if you could offer a foolproof and efficient way to archive your projects then it’s going to be a big advantage in selling the system to people like me.

Steve Connor
Cardinal HD

[Jan Crittenden livingston]

[Steve Connor] “Incorporate DLT into your workflow, do you know what DLT records to -TAPE. So much for P2 bringing you a tapeless workflow!

Of course we know it records to tape, but it records as data. Current devices are much faster and the Dell can do HD at about 1 1/2 times faster than real time.

It is one idea, but not every idea.

Best,

Jan

Jan Crittenden Livingston
Product Manager, DVCPRO, DVCPRO50, AG-DVX100
Panasonic Broadcast & TV Systems

[Ivan Kacer]

I think Iomega Rew Pro drive using media discs or Pro compact flash memory cards could be one of solution at end of this year at cost of Euro 500. Disc have 35Gb, 100mb/sec HD recodrd/play capacity with audio and timecode information at cost of Euro 70. Pro CF cards you get at variety of prices all around photo world.