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Overlaying a PSD from Photoshop over video in Premiere!
I have a video shot where a man in the audience gets up and walks away. In the past with CS3 I have been able to export a frame of video, import that frame into Photoshop and create a still of the man who stood up (but it would be a still of him sitting down). Then I would delete the rest of the image in Photoshop, save as a psd and bring the psd back into premiere. I would put the psd over the shot of the man standing and cover up his movement while the rest of the shot plays normally.
I tried doing this in cs4 the other day and when I brought the psd back into premiere the color didn’t quite match the video so I applied a color correction to the psd. It applied the color correction to the psd layer of the man and the video on the video layer below it. I don’t want to change the color on my video and only want to change the color on my psd to match the video.
I have to know how to do this now! How do I fix this?
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Actually, what you have done here is just run into the wonderful Colorspace Wall. OOF!
Here is what you need to do:
Do an export and as you do that, export the frame as Millions of Colors (not Plus). Use TIFF and no compression to export. When you import into Photoshop, you want to make sure you are using Photoshop’s sRGB or NTSC RGB color space. That way, Photoshop won’t be changing the color space to something designed for CMYK prepress on the way in and then causing you to need to color-correct the keyed overlay when you get it back in to Premiere Pro.
Photoshop’s color space settings are under Edit>Color Settings in Windows.
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Double posting.
Gave my answer in the Premiere forum. -
Mark,
I tried following you directions but had a little trouble could you give a bit more information. I am using Premiere and Photoshop CS4, is that what you are using as well?
When I exported my frame from Premiere I went to File> export
The media encoder opens. There are a couple of options for Tiff export:
Full HD Tiff 720P
Full HD Tiff
HD (1.3) Tiff 720p
HD (1.3) Tiff
HD (1.5) Tiff
NTSC Widescreen
NTSC Tiff
Pal Tiff Widescreen
Pal Tiff
My source Footage is 720p 59.94 so I chose the Full HD Tiff 720p option.I did not see a selection to export the frame as millions of colors. I did see a dialogue box to render at maxium depth but I left this unchecked since it was not in your instructions.
I brought my Tiff into Photoshop CS4 64bit essentials. Are you using Essential, video or something else? I did find that we are using the SNTSC IEC 61966-2.1 color space. There were a couple of other options in that same dialogue. Under Color Management Policies I have the RGB setting to preserve embedded profiles. I don’t know if this matters.
I opened the Tiff and removed the rest of the layer I did not want leaving just the man sitting. Saved as a PSD and brought it back into premiere and the colors did not match.
What Do I try next?
After just exporting a Tiff from Premiere with the same settings I noticed that it did not match the color of the video before I even brought it into Photoshop. -
Problem solved. We found out that we were only experiencing this problem on Matrox Sequences but it is easy to fix. You have to select the sequence you are working on the go to:
Sequence> Sequence settings> Playback settings> then we changed the video Luma level from Post Production to Broadcast.
Then the Tiffs we made from the timeline matched the video when exported from Photoshop as PSDs looked great.
Thank Matrox for the solution and everyone else for the help! -
OK, I’m using old and mouldy software so your settings are vastly different, but your export should be “maximum color depth,” else some clipping of the color space may occur. Also remember, TIFF allows for compression (including JPEG type) so you want to send this puppy out uncompressed.
Photoshop is probably the culprit here.
Photoshop needs to be set for sRGB color space as I outlined in my earlier post. If you have Photoshop (as many of my prepress friends do) set to work in CMYK color space, you are pretty much guaranteed to have problems with video import and export through Photoshop.
CS4 may have color space offerings that I do not have.
I am using Premiere Pro 1.5 and Photoshop CS2 on a 5-year-old Dell XPS 600 that, in its day, was a good system. While I suppose I can install CS4, I know Premiere Pro will not work well with that system and Photoshop CS4 will not run in 64-bit or take advantage of a graphics co-processor because of my dated system. So, until our budget allows an upgrade, we’re pretty much sitting pat.
Working in other editing applications and “washing” something through Photoshop for me has always been a breeze and the trick was to make sure I was set to proper video/film color space in Photoshop and not compress the output of the still image(s) in any way. There’s a really cool filter for Photoshop that allows you to make an image look like a Wall Street Journal “woodcut” print and I used Photoshop extensively to do that with a masked image of a person for a spot I cut about two years back (to the rave review of the client) and then recomposited that as a dissolve in and out of the effect in my editor. I was cutting the Alpha in Photoshop (for both the woodcut and the color moving image) and using Photoshop as if it were a processing engine for my editor and it worked without a hiccough. But color space management was crucial.
What if there were no hypothetical questions?
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