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  • Output to BVW-75 with timecode?

    Posted by Sandust on November 10, 2007 at 9:48 pm

    Aloha,

    I am trying to output a project from FCP 6 to a Sony BVW-75 BetaSP deck using Decklink HD card and Multibridge.

    Everything is working great except timecode. Picture and sound are perfect. How can I make the deck use the timecode from FCP?

    Right now the deck just keeps rolling TC and I can not reset it. I want the tape to start at 1 hour (01:00:00:00) and right now it is at 03:45:23:12 and I can’t reset it. My FCP timeline starts at 01:00:00:00.

    Any help would be great.

    Mahalo,
    Dusty

    Dual 2.5Ghz G5 w/ 2.5GB ram, Decklink HD, Decklink Multibridge, MOTU 896HD
    JVC DV5000, 2 Sony HDR-FX1, JVC BR-DV3000U, JVC 19″ HD monitor

    Dean Sensui replied 18 years, 6 months ago 5 Members · 8 Replies
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  • Bouncing Account needs new email address

    November 10, 2007 at 9:56 pm

    You must connect the Timecode output from your video card/converter box to the timecode input on the deck.

    Both units obviously must have those connections. They are usually BNC connectors.

    Then, you must set the tape deck to “External Timecode.”

  • Sandust

    November 10, 2007 at 11:11 pm

    I have my RS-422 connection and can control the deck and FCP sees the timecode from the deck.

    I need to use a different cable to send TC to the deck?

    I think my serial cable from the Decklink to the Deck is the only connection I have that does TC.

    Thanks,
    Dusty

  • Lee Berger

    November 10, 2007 at 11:47 pm

    To my knowledge Final Cut Pro does not send TC back to your deck via RS422 as other NLE’s do. It’s one of the shortcomings. What I do is stripe the first ten seconds of tape with TC starting at 58:50:02 (this gives me more than enough for preroll). I set my timeline to start at 59:00:02 with 30 seconds of tone/bars and 30 seconds of black, program start is at 1:00:00:02. I mark in at the beginning of the timeline and out at the end of the program, plus 30 seconds black. I use edit to tape, assemble edit, marking in at Tape TC 59:00:02. This seems to be a reasonable work around for me.

    Lee Berger
    http://www.leebergermedia.com

  • Michael Alberts

    November 11, 2007 at 3:59 am

    The only thing wrong is that you have you deck set up improperly. You need to set it to INT TC and set it to REGEN. Then do as Lee mentioned and use the Black&Code feature of FCP in the ETT window. Black as much tape as you need to get you up to your bars. FCP will default to 58:00:00 but you can set it to whatever (58:30:00) and then black 40 seconds. Then have your bars in FCP start at 59:00:00 or whatever you want.
    Once you have the deck set up properly this will all work just fine. No need to patch a cable from the Decklink to FCP with timecode (since no such port exists on the card and FCP doesn’t send tc out). This is all done with the RS-422 cable telling the deck where to punch in on the tape. This is how FCP has worked since version 1.

    Michael Alberts
    Ambidextrous Productions, Inc.
    http://www.ambidextrous.net

  • Dean Sensui

    November 11, 2007 at 7:08 am

    Dustin…

    If you’re not able to solve your problem let me know.

    I’m able to do frame-accurate assemble and insert edits on a UVW-1800 and I’m using a Decklink SP card.

    I’ve been doing this a lot for Scott Mason and Keala Lucero recently.

    Aloha,

    Dean Sensui — Imagination Media Hawaii

  • Bouncing Account needs new email address

    November 11, 2007 at 12:32 pm

    My answer is correct for recording the timecode coming from from one source onto a new tape with the same Video and TC as the original.

    For instance, making a dub of a tape, including matching TC, is done this way.
    That’s why there are external TC (In & Out) jacks on most pro decks.
    The BVW-75’s external TC jacks are XLR connectors.

    OTOH, if you just want to MATCH-EDIT to a TC already striped (up to a certain point) on the tape, both Avid and FCP (and most other edit systems) do use the deck’s TC generator and just provide the means to match the edit to the tape’s TC… at the edit point and following,

    So, if it’s an ASSEMBLE edit, the deck’s own TC generator will actually be providing the TC while FCP provides the video and audio.

  • Sandust

    November 11, 2007 at 5:52 pm

    Thanks for all the feedback guys. It took a little playing but I got it working. Much more complicated than all the firewire decks I have been using over the years.

    I ended up having to set the deck to INT TC and “Preset”, then used FCP “Edit to Tape” to stripe the begining of the tape. Then I used FCP “Edit to Tape” to assemble edit the project to tape starting with the In Point I selected in “Edit to Tape”. Before I was trying Insert and that wasn’t working.

    I have to turn off send timecode in “Edit to Tape” and just send video and all four channels of audio.

    One part that stumped me for a while was an error about wrong sequence setting. I needed to drag my sequence to the “Edit to Tape” window. If you don’t do that “Edit to Tape” gives a completely useless error that you need to nest your sequence or change sequence settings.

    Thanks guys.

    Dean – I am in Austin Texas now, but I still talk to Scott all the time. I was back in Hawaii a couple months ago and saw all those guys. They are doing great. I am jealous:)

    Mahalo,
    Dusty

    http://www.sandust.com
    Red One #973

  • Dean Sensui

    November 11, 2007 at 6:06 pm

    Hi Dustin….

    Glad to hear you got it all sorted out nicely. I co-produce “Hawaii Goes Fishing” and have to do exactly what you’re doing, making the program start exactly at 1:00:00;00 for delivery on Betacam SP.

    What I do is set the sequence start at 00:58:55 to allow for bars & tones and the slate. I’ll pre-set the timecode on the Betacam deck to 58:50 and record some black onto the tape. Then “assemble edit” is used in “edit to tape” with the in-point set to match the start of the sequence. Nails it everytime.

    I was working on “All For Melissa” earlier this year with Scott, Vince, Gerard, Anne and the gang. Great bunch of people and a wonderful experience. It was the first time I’d ever worked on a feature-length film. It recently screened at the Hawaii Int’l Film Festival and is headed to a number of film festivals elsewhere.

    Hope all’s well in Texas.

    Aloha,

    Dean Sensui — Imagination Media Hawaii

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