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  • out-of-sync indicators gone?

    Posted by Hector Berrebi on July 11, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    once audio is detached or broken apart, if i move it out of sync, no indicators show up to notify me of that… looked for them everywhere, am i missing something?

    and if you break apart and wonder how to link them back, only way is to compound clip them

    Hector Berrebi
    prePost Consulting

    Tony Silanskas replied 13 years ago 6 Members · 10 Replies
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  • Brendan Gibbons

    July 11, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    You’re not missing a thing…. no out of sync indicators I’m afraid.

    A bit of a hack, but if you do break apart video and audio, add a marking to each before doing anything else….Giving you a manual sync point to line up with if needed.

    Compound clips, as you suggest are the way to avoid any issues though.



  • Jeremy Garchow

    July 11, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    That’s why I recommend calling it a divorce, rather than a “break apart”. FCP assumes that they are never getting back together.

  • Craig Seeman

    July 11, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    [Jeremy Garchow] “That’s why I recommend calling it a divorce”

    But the children stay connected of course.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    July 11, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Not unless you grab them first. If you click the video, it selects separately from audio and vice-versa.

  • Tapio Haaja

    July 12, 2011 at 6:40 am

    Only way to get clip back to original state with audio etc. after ‘divorce’ is to select clip in timeline -> press shift-f -> and drag-n-drop clip back from events to replace clip in timeline.

    Tapio Haaja

  • Hector Berrebi

    July 12, 2011 at 10:22 am

    [Tapio Haaja] “Only way to get clip back to original state with audio etc. after ‘divorce’ is to select clip in timeline -> press shift-f -> and drag-n-drop clip back from events to replace clip in timeline.

    Not true

    Way to get them back is compound clip them together. It’s in the manual.

    Hector Berrebi
    prePost Consulting

  • Hector Berrebi

    July 12, 2011 at 10:39 am

    My studio partner, who’s been using the app vigorously in past weeks says that the logic behind apple׳s omission of sync indicators is that you wouldn’t want or need to break sync in any plawsible scenario and if you do, then you probably don’t need sync anyway. I think it’s a bug. And if its intentional, its rather sad, should be fixed.

    Hector Berrebi
    prePost Consulting

  • Tapio Haaja

    July 12, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Yeah doing compound clip does more or less same than cutting material again to timeline but it’s not anymore in original state. You can’t for example access all metadata anymore straight from timeline but instead have to go inside compound clip. Does it matter… Depends how you work.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    July 12, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Yeah, I understand you can compound it, but then it’s a compound and all that goes with it.

  • Tony Silanskas

    July 13, 2011 at 7:03 am

    Maybe I’m over simplifying this but I don’t see this as a bug and am fine with the lack of sync indicators in regards to an original clip. In FCPX, to “Break Apart” a clip is the same thing as “Make Clip Independent” in FCP 7 and therefore there is no need for sync indicators. If you want to see a clip like you normally would in FCP 7 then you just “Expand” a clip (Control + S). If anything, FCPX actually adds something to this by being able to “Expand” and “Collapse” clips for less clutter on the timeline. And there is absolutely no way you can make that clip out of sync when it’s just Expanded and therefore makes sync indicators unnecessary for these clips. Plus you can still trim the audio independently from the video it is synced to.

    So what I haven’t seen mentioned is that FCPX should have moved sync indicators to a different role. Now that FCPX has clip connections it’s much easier to sync totally independent video and audio clips (something pretty much impossible with FCP 7), but these can be moved out of sync unintentionally sometimes with no warning so I’d liked to see a “LOCK SYNC” or just “Show/Warn When this Group of Clips might get out of Sync” option. That’s where sync indicators (though I’d rather see something better) are needed and not in the way FCP 7 used them as it seems to be in discussion here.

    And Compound Clips are not the answer to this because I can’t “Expand” all the clips in a Compound Clip (therefore keeping sync) as it just expands to one video and one audio track representing all the clips.

    A semi-related bug, though minor and it’s probably just the wrong way of doing it, is when you want to “Break Apart” a Compound Clip that contains a clip that was only “Expanded” and has its audio trimmed. If you “Detach” the audio AND then “Break Apart” the audio clip the audio that belonged to the “Expanded” isn’t trimmed. It is the full audio of the clip but has the sections not used Muted in a blue color (something I’ve yet to notice anywhere else). So technically it trims but there doesn’t seem to be a way to get rid of the Muted blue so you can’t add audio at either end. Annoying but can be easily avoided if you never “Detach” the audio in the first place.


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