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OT Sony sells Vegas?
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[Steve Connor] “I wonder if the new owners are considering a Mac version”
That would be interesting indeed.
Here is the problem: Two years ago Sony Creative Software started down a new path with the Catalyst Suite lineup. There is Catalyst Browse, Catalyst Prepare, and Catalyst Edit. All of them run on both Mac and PC. So we all thought that this would be the Mac re-write of Vegas Pro because Vegas Pro hasn’t been updated in two years while this was going on. But SCS continues to deny this and holds fast to the statement that Catalyst is not a replacement for Vegas Pro. Now they have sold Vegas Pro but kept Catalyst Suite. Also Catalyst Suite just adopted a subscription model quite like Adobe. They chose the ransomware model. You stop paying… the software stops working. The Vegas Pro community would have none of that because that model doesn’t work for hobbyists which make up a fair share the community. There are also a lot of editors using outdated versions who don’t feel that there are any new features that they need and won’t pay for upgrades. This is a big problem when software matures.
As it stands now, Vegas Pro is a poster child for Microsoft technology. They are deeply intrenched in Video for Windows (VFW), DirectShow, .Net Framework, C#, MS-SQL Express for media management. I mean you name a proprietary Microsoft technology and they have built on top of it. That doesn’t speak well for a port to Mac. Had they chose more “open” technologies it might have been feasible. One good thing they did recently was move away from Direct X onto OpenFX and OpenCL. But a Mac version would need to be a complete re-write using more open technology. It will be interesting to see what MAGIX does with this codebase. Who knows, maybe they will re-write it for both Mac and PC.
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[Jeff Markgraf] “PS – I just don’t get the “Premiere is the FCP8 we really wanted” trope. I don’t find Premiere to be anything like FCP Legacy. Other than having tracks. ;-)”
I suppose it depends on how you used it, but I find it to be true, not a “trope.” Of course, now its more like FCP 9.7. There’s a LOT more in common than having tracks. If you need some examples, try multiple open timelines, using timelines as bins, and an interface that can be arranged in a whole variety of configurations. Those things might not be of value to you personally, but they are very much like Legacy.
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I saw an XPRI in real life. Creative Group in NYC had one. They were a big Sony linear edit house and they got one pretty early on. I kind of think it was a demo unit… It was very limited. We had to jump through hoops to get footage on and off of it IIRC.
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[Andrew Kimery] ” Apple should have learned from the iMovie ’08 release and changed their approach, but they basically did the same thing with the X launch and got the same result (user backlash they then had to quell).”
I’m just gonna quote myself here (hope nobody minds)… Apparently someone learned from the iMovie ’08 release but was unsuccessful in convincing others at Apple that history would repeat itself.
From an new interview with Randy Ubillios:
“My idea was that Final Cut 7 should stay exactly as it was for about a year, and every time you bought a copy of X you got a copy of 7. They didn’t want to hear it. I knew 16 months before the launch that I was going to have a bunch of arrows in my back. I was going to be blamed for this big transition.
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… Steve caught me at home: “What the heck is going on with this Final Cut X thing?” I said “We knew this was coming, we knew that people were going to freak out when we changed everything out from under them. We could have done this better. We should have. Final Cut 7 should be back on the market. We should have an FAQ that lists what this is all about.” He said “Yeah, let’s get out and fund this thing, let’s make sure we get on top of this thing, move quickly with releases…” and he finished by asking: “Do you believe in this?” I said “Yes.” He said “then I do too.”https://alex4d.com/notes/item/back-to-1-0-randy-ubillos-interview
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So, I’m not on this forum anymore, but since I’m stuck at an airport on a Saturday, I’m chiming in cuz it’s good fun. BTW – I’ve moved to the Adobe Stock team, so am no longer directly involved with Premiere Pro on a day to day basis. Miss it but also love the idea of building a content library for creatives around the world.
[Bill Davis] “Premier Pro”
Premiere Pro please. I freely admit this is my pet peeve, but I don’t ever say fxpY do I?
[Bill Davis] “As evidence, I’d note that we’ve already seen the pretty clear migration of X thinking into Premier Pro via “hover scrub” and the soon to arrive and much heralded “proxy workflow.””
As has been stated multiple times by me and others over the last few years, Hover Scrub and the FCPX Skimming feature were developed in tandem and released at basically the same time. Great ideas can be thought of and explored by multiple people and companies at the same time. I think of Tesla and Edison with electricity. Many different people were working on early flight as well…. I could go on.
As for proxy workflows, lets give credit where it is due – Avid and other early NLEs not named Premiere Pro. For you to say FCPX birthed proxy workflows is a bit…interesting.
To say it again: ALL NLE’s have something compelling, unique or valuable to users. It is the principle reason we have a very mature and robust NLE market today from which we ALL benefit.
Dennis – Adobe guy
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[Dennis Radeke] “Premiere Pro please. I freely admit this is my pet peeve, but I don’t ever say fxpY do I?”
Oh man, my apologies. Thought I had broken that habit. My bad.
[Dennis Radeke] “To say it again: ALL NLE’s have something compelling, unique or valuable to users. It is the principle reason we have a very mature and robust NLE market today from which we ALL benefit. “
Fair enough.
I’ll revise my thinking regarding coincidence. The fact that something appears in one program – then 5 years later appears under a different name in another is clearly a sign of …. something, perhaps. But if you say its not about lifting ideas, I have no reason to dispute that.
Maybe it’s just longer approval loops? Or slower, more careful coders? Or more likely just that the software team delivering the feature years later didn’t realize the concepts full value until another team developed it further. Far be it for me to speculate. I’m just an end user. And as clueless about this stuff as I am about so much else.
You are right in the assertion that the more good programs out there the better.
And I wish your team nothing but the best with yours. Lots of people are feeding their families via it’s mastery and use and that alone makes it valuable.
Oh and about the mistype the brand thing, I’m honestly apologetic. I TRY to be precise about things like that but even when I know things I find myself getting the form wrong. For example, I’m struggling right now with indexing my developing lesson base and since in some places Web IDs don’t play well with spaces, I’m dealing with having to type _FCP_X_ over and over and over. Such a hassle, I find myself dropping the correct space in non-public facing uses (FCPX) just to avoid eternally typing the extra underscore over and over and over. These little things are so annoying!
And so it goes.
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[Dennis Radeke] “As for proxy workflows, lets give credit where it is due – Avid and other early NLEs not named Premiere Pro. For you to say FCPX birthed proxy workflows is a bit…interesting.”
To my knowledge, though, FCP X is the first program that creates simultaneous optimized and proxy media in the background. And then provides a simple way to toggle back-and-forth between them, without the need to manually relink between media types. This certainly never existed in Media Composer. Even with the newest Premiere Pro update, it only covers the proxy half of the equation, not the optimized part.
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Dennis, I’m not sure that Adobe (whose products I own and use on about 30% of my work) should be shouting too loudly about audio capabilities. A search for ‘Premiere Pro audio drops out’ will lead to long standing problems that they have.
Also the inability to store a preset for something as basic as a compressor should be an embarrassment.
I’ve never used Vegas in anger but the audio side of it has always been streets ahead of Adobe/Apple/Avid/Blackmagic/Autodesk/Quantel etc. Good luck to Magix in their endeavours.
70% of my work is Avid ( Baselight & Fusion plug-ins are keeping that interesting). Still keeping an open mind on FCPX but no sign of it in the wild for me.
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[Trevor Asquerthian] “Also the inability to store a preset for something as basic as a compressor should be an embarrassment.”
I store compressor presets in Ppro, what are you talking about?
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I store compressor presets in Ppro, what are you talking about?”Audio Track Mixer | FX | Amplitude & Compression | Dynamics – I don’t know anyway of storing a compressor setup once tweaked . I suspect you are talking about video file compression settings, but live in hope…
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