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OT: End of Prosumer Camcorders???
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I’m with you 100%. And I understand why some people have a hard time accepting new technology. They have invested tens, sometimes hundred of thousands on gear/technology that has or possibly will become obsolete and replaced by less expensive, more efficient, higher quality gear.
He’s slamming Canon SLR technology and workflow…but guess what??? It is JUST hitting the market. Give it a little bit of time and see what happens. At the end of the day, if I can get a better looking picture out of a 5D than I can with a Panasonic DVCPro HD rig, guess which one I’m going with?
Brian
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Understanding all the practical limitations and caveats of the changing paradigms, and that at the very least these are specialty cameras and not be-all solutions to shooting everyday TV and movies, I wonder if you have had any notice or feedback on the Panasonic entry–
It seems to do 24p and we’ve been happy with our DVCPROHD production tools. Yes, I know this is 4/3 Live MOS and AVCHD, but there is a manufacturer history of bringing useful products to the fray.
For our modest-budget indie projects and docs, it is very appealing to think we could sometimes get some serious depth of field, low-light clarity and better color depth for this price. And oh yes, snap some quality behind-the-scenes images for promotion purposes and press kits.
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There is an interesting Barry Green article talking about the amount of aliasing the current crop of vDSLR have (and why) and that the measured resolution is somewhere between SD and 720p.
A convergence is happening, but I don’t see people abandoning prosumer cameras en masse for vDSLRs anymore than I see people abandoning professional cameras en masse for the Red One (or Epic whenever it comes out). A current gen vDSLR might be perfect for person A but horrible for person B. Horses for courses as they say. Prosumer cameras will continue to change and evolve just like they have been changing and evolving for years.
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Nope, I’ve heard that it takes pretty good stills too
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[Dave LaRonde] “YOU take it out on a shoot with actors, dialogue, sync sound and follow focus….
….then tell me it’s not a toy. “
Again, same discouragements against early DV cameras like VX1000s and thousands of hours of programming were shot on those. I hear the same statements against FCP now on long term programming. “Can’t edit long form programming on FCP, media management not good enough.” How many thousands of hours have been edited on FCP?
And plenty of people have shot sync fictional shorts and features on these cameras. The trade magazines have printed plenty of articles from indie filmmakers using DSLR. Sure, there are limitations with DSLR….as there are limitations for beta, Varicam, HDcam, RED and even 35mm.
You won’t use them. Good for you. That’s your opinion. But it’s certainly arrogant, dismissive, and not conducive to the creative support that these forums are based on.
CHL
Chi-Ho Lee
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Dave,
Obviously you haven’t worked with the 7D. 24p is actually 23.98, as it should be (30p is also 29.97, but why use that when you have 24p). Audio synced just fine with the zoom h4n recorded wav files. Back in the day audio had to be synced with film, so the sound aspect of the workflow isn’t THAT hard to imagine. The conversion process isn’t the best, but if you recall, the original workflow with the HVX200 left much to be desired when it was first released.
Before there was ink, people probably used turds to write with. Once the ‘ink’ revolution came along though, those that resisted the change from turds likely found themselves very lonely, quickly. The beauty of the footage we’re getting with with these cameras is going to change everything about how we work in the next few years. You can be the master of how this change affects you, or the victim. Either way, it’s coming whether you like it or not, IMHO.
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Sure, it makes a pretty picture, but if your a shooter there is more to choosing a camera then just that. You have to consider what you shoot most often, ergonomics, and even your image. And I don’t mean the picture. There are plenty of circumstances where having a camera that looks like what people expect to see, makes the difference. On the other hand being able to shoot moving video discretely may be desirable for some.
In the end, it just another tool. And like most tools, it is the person using it that makes the real difference.
As far as the question “OT: End of Prosumer Camcorders???”
No. Even if the Cannon catches on in a big way, I say it is Prosumer.
But I don’t think you will see a rush of folks dumping what they have to buy the Cannon until the pros column has more entry’s than the cons. -
on the 7D…
Full HD Video is captured at 1920 x 1080 resolution at 30p (29.97), 24p (23.976) or 25p frames per second, for up to 4GB per clip. Movies are saved as .MOV files and can be viewed in Full HD with HDMI output. Other recording sizes include HD at 1280 x 720 (50p / 60p (59.94) fps) or SD/VGA at 640 x 480 (50p / 60p (59.94) fps).
Brian
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Well put John…well put. Some people WILL NOT accept new technologies. For me…the biggest selling point on any product is the END RESULT it produces. PERIOD.
Brian
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