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OT – Dell 24″ vs. Apple Cinema Display 23″
Ok, I’ve seen so many people on these forums discuss the Dell monitors and how they’re essentially the same as the Apple displays but for less money. I just wanted to put in my 2 cents that yes the Dell 2407WFP 24″ is a great display, it’s just not as sharp as the Apple Cinema Display. We’re actually going to return it and spend the extra money to get the Apple.
I tried the Dell on two computers, a Quad with the standard graphics card and a Dual 2.0 with an ATI x800XT high end graphics card. No difference. My 2 year old Apple Cinema display was clearly sharper when looking at an FCP timeline and the 20″ Apple Cinema display in our next room was even sharper.
For my eyes, sitting at this computer for 10 hours or so a day, I’ll go with the sharpest display I can get and that’s clearly the Apple Cinema Display when comparing these two. I wouldn’t say don’t buy the Dell if that’s what your budget is because it’s definitely a nice monitor, but I would never say it’s the same as the Apple Cinema’s.
Just my 2 cents.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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I love my apple 23″ but it has about 5 dead red pixels and about the same in blue. There are 2 exactly side by side within the inner 1/3 (if you divideded it by 9). This double red is a constant bother. I think there is a magic number on what is considered tolerable but I’m not sure what it is. I’m not sure how we’re suposed to live if we send them in for replacement or evaluation. I also wonder if this occurs on the 30″. Bad pixels could really accumulate on one of those. Just wondering how other monitors compare in this regard.
“everything is broken”
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My 23″ is two going on three years old with no dead pixels. The 17″ is also two going on three and it’s clean. Our 20″ is about 8 months old and it’s clean. A 17″ Sony is a year old and is clean. A three year old Sony 20″ is clean.
I have a brand new Viewsonic 20″ widescreen display with two dead pixels out of the box. Another viewsonic 17″ has three dead pixels after a year.
7 Pixels are considered “defective.”
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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Hey Walter, either you should go out and buy yourself some lotto tickets or maybe I should refrain from buying them! Thanks for the reality check. Any more stats out there?
I haven’t worked with a dell but I know what you mean about the sharpness. My eyes get tired after 5 or6 hours on the crt but I can look at this monitor all day and it doesn’t seem to tier my eyes. I keep it at the bright end of the setting too.“everything is broken”
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I own two of these Dells, and only recently was able to compare them to the Apple 23″ display when my DP sent one with and ecinema box to see if I wanted to buy it as a color correction. So I put it side by side with my Dell and set the desktop to one of those great B&W backgrounds that Apple supplies.
Ooof. The Apple display does not show black as black…it shows it as grey. The Dell shows black as black, and the ratio curve is nice. And I am looking a the sharpness and I see no difference whatsoever. I am looking right now. The Apple display is a little darker…less of a curve between the blacks and whites.
Hmmm…but…interestingly the Apple appears to show this picture (the lightning one) in pure greyscale…while my Dell has slight colors…I see blue and red tints in the image. But my blacks are nice and dark.
This bears further investigation.
Shane
Alokut Productions
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Ohhh…The Apple was set up and using a DELL color profile. Hmmm…still has greyish blacks, but is pure greyscale.
What color profile are you using?
And the sharpness is the same to me. Sorry. How close are you sitting? Didn’t your mom talk to you about that?
:^)
Shane
Alokut Productions
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[Shane Ross] “Ooof. The Apple display does not show black as black…it shows it as grey. The Dell shows black as black, and the ratio curve is nice. And I am looking a the sharpness and I see no difference whatsoever. I am looking right now. The Apple display is a little darker…less of a curve between the blacks and whites.”
You’re talking video display? I don’t use it as a video display. I use it for a computer display. I would never color correct with either the Dell or the Apple or use it as a client monitor.
Put a Final Cut Pro timeline on it and look at the sharpness of the text in the timeline (video tracks / audio tracks) on the Apple and the Dell.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com“I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters
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I am looking at it as a computer display. I was comparing desktops…with the same picture from the BLACK AND WHITE collection in the DESKTOPS…the lightning strike.
I’d never use it as a video display. Only Digital Cinema Preview to show clients the cut…that’s it.
Shane
Alokut Productions
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God I wish there was an EDIT option.
I am not seeing a difference in the sharpness. The bins in both look the same to me…the same level of crispness.
It must just be me. But I do have my text set to medium so they are clearer.
Shane
Alokut Productions
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Regarding the dead pixel issue: We’ve got over a hundred of the Apple 23″ cinema displays through out our building. I swear to you I’ve NEVER seen a dead pixel on ANY of them. Most are two-three years old, and run “ON” 24/7. However, we have noticed a weirdness around the edges of some… it looks like a “water stain” . But no pixel problems.
Mark
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altho I don’t have a ACD here I have used them before
I have no trouble with the sharpness, unless the one I have connected VIA VGA (the DVI port is for the SDI converter) doesn’t auto adjust when it starts up
then I just need to cycle the input and it auto adjusts.
Sharp as a tack
I don’t get headachs any more
displays are nice and bright
and no pink tinging (all the 23″s I have see have the pinkness)and Shane I don’t see any of the red in the B/W images where do you see that?
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