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Opinions on what NLE to teach on a new BA in Film & Screen Media Production
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[John Davidson] “That’s pretty cool that you’re showing it to your class.”
Thank you for making it available!
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[Oliver Peters] “should they need to do so for a PAYING GIG”
Who cares? I’m not a corporate trainer. I teach film — narrative stuff. Nor am I a job to work program. I’m teaching literacy — film and video literacy. My goals are such that I want my students to be able to tell a story in motion picture. My courses are big also in writing and camera coverage too.
A quick note on homophones:
Video + literacy = viteate — a person literate in video
Video + idiot = vidiot — a person who believes everything they read screen.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “Isn’t the broad editing thoughtspace common logic of dis-interested tracks and universal immutable time (ala David Lawrence), something quite like broadly understood, disseminated editing grammer? To literally all involved reading this as editors? As a result of a few decades of investment and thought on all parts?
outside the zany new scientological sea-org secondary storyline school of FCPX?
Didn’t the FCPX guys end up with some kind of tilde key to negate all their core basic operations some twelve months later?
Isn’t that just weak intellectual sauce?”Aindreas, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence on here, from very experienced Editors that actually the timeline in FCPX is a perfectly creative and efficient place to edit, are you completely ignoring our experience? or perhaps you think we don’t know what we’re talking about?
It’s perfectly OK not to like the FCPX timeline, I can understand why many people wouldn’t like it and that’s the beauty of the array of choice we now have in the NLE space.
FCPX works for many of us, get over it!
Steve Connor
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[Daniel Hegarty] “I should also say that at the moment we’re thinking that in the 3rd year those who elect for editing as their specialisation will get training on whichever 2 NLEs are not taught in years 1 & 2.”
Sounds like a solid plan to me. Expose them to multiple NLE platforms and teach the fundamentals upon which all NLEs are based. They’re students – they pick this stuff up quickly. I initially learned editing on a Media 100 system. I’ve never had much of a problem jumping to new platforms as the industry evolves. There are so many accessible resources for learning different NLEs now on your own – teach all the stuff they can’t get out of those.
Cameron Clendaniel
Film Editor, NYC
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[Andrew Kimery] “BTW, nice to see you again, David. I feel like I haven’t seen you around in ages.”
[Steve Connor] “I’ll second that!”
THNX guys! It’s nice to be back.
And Steve, per your wanting to hear my thoughts on the industry that you mentioned in a different thread, I do have many new perspectives on the state of things now and things to come. Dealing with the realities of editors and facilities here in LA and around the world for the last 365 days has been very enlightening to say the least.
David Roth Weiss
ProMax Systems
Burbank
DRW@ProMax.comSales | Integration | Support
David is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.
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[David Roth Weiss] ” Dealing with the realities of editors and facilities here in LA and around the world for the last 365 days has been very enlightening to say the least.”
Sounds great, really looking forward to hearing all about it! Welcome back!
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David Lawrence
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[David Lawrence] “Sounds great, really looking forward to hearing all about it! Welcome back!”
Thanks David! Let’s catch-up sometime soon.
DRW
David Roth Weiss
ProMax Systems
Burbank
DRW@ProMax.comSales | Integration | Support
David is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “the success of FCP was based on the – then – apple engineers corp directly engaging their surroundings and delivering a competitive judgement.
FCP was their competitive judgement.But the point surely is that apple have felt no such onus this time around.”
I think the success of FCP was based on the fact that it was a) cheaper and more approachable than other available systems, and b) designed from the ground up for the then-emerging disruptive forces of DV and FireWire.
FCP X is a) cheaper and more approachable than other available systems, and b) designed from the ground up for the now-emerging disruptive forces of file-based acquisition and delivery.
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[Cameron Clendaniel] “Sounds like a solid plan to me. Expose them to multiple NLE platforms and teach the fundamentals upon which all NLEs are based.”
This is, in my opinion, the only sensible approach. In particular, I’d teach at least Media Composer and FCP X; Media Composer because it’s the established power in a certain segment of the industry (which even the old FCP never quite managed to penetrate), and FCP X because I suspect it will follow a trajectory very similar to the one FCP followed, and eventually emerge as the dominant option across other industry segments.
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Digital Workflow/Colorist, Nice Dissolve.You should follow me on Twitter here. Or read our blog.
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“But isn’t language underpinned by broadly held grammar rules? as opposed to arbitrary elements?”
I’d agree that grammar is partly derived from fundamental cognitive process, but there’s also a cultural dimension as well. In any case there’s plenty of evidence that humans are pretty good at absorbing more than one form and working comfortably within it.
But I was thinking here more about vocabulary, which has much less attachment to absolutes and is subject to geographic and ethnic variables.
Mostly I’m trying to think clearly about editing by dividing into two spheres, the first concerns the editing application itself, which is an artifact created by an engineer. The second is the message itself, a far more complex product.
In terms of editing applications, I think we’re still in a pretty early, possibly primitive, stage. The timeline makes sense to me, but I’m not ready to be particularly dogmatic about it. My point is simply that anyone starting out today, with maybe 50 years of productive work ahead of them, should resist commitment to a single approach, and should preserve their capacity to adapt.
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