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Open in timeline
If you open a master clip using “Open In Timeline” you can apply source-side filters, like a Log-C-to-709 LUT filter. When you cut this clip into your project the effect is applied. That’s the expected behavior. What I just discovered is that these source filters do not show up for the clip in the Inspector in the Project. Therefore you cannot remove or modify the added source-side effects in the project itself.
Also you cannot go back to the clip using “Open In Timeline” again and modify the filter and have that ripple forward to the instance of that clip in the Project. In other words, once that clip is cut into a Project, the source-side effects are UNMODIFIABLE. You would have to tweak the source and then replace the clip in the Project.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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You can’t apply an effect to a browser clip directly, only by opening it into a timeline. Of course applying an effect to the browser clip this way, prior to editing can be a benefit, if you’re certain that’s what you want to do. Kind of like modifiying a master file before you edit it into a project. If you’re sure about what you’re doing, you can do that, but you take your chances. I guess you need to use the application the way it’s designed to work.
All the best,
Tom
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Every time I’ve done this Oliver, I’ve made a compound clip in the event first. I make window burns this way for transcription.
X does allude that opening anything in a timeline is OK, but it started to weird me out when I realized I was cutting apart a master clip. I never really tested it much farther than that as even though X allowed it, it didn’t make sense to me.
After making a compound in the event and editing that into the Project, I find you can always break it back apart of necessary, and the filters stick around for further editing/deletion. Seems to work better, in my opinion.
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Isn’t that just the way. You work out a logical workaround and then find it’s a one way street and only works up to an extent.
I’m now using compound clips as a practical way of breaking up complex edits. I produce short sections in their own projects and then when they are just about there I convert them into compound clip, copy them and then paste them into a master project.
If any further work, almost inevitable, needs doing I then open these compound clips into their own timeline, adjust them, before returning into my master project.
This all goes well until, I don’t know if anybody else has found this, sometimes the compound clips refuse to open in the master project timeline. It might be that some audio has gone astray or maybe it’s just a bit confused and the only way round it is to copy the compound clip, open it in another project, re-compound it and then replace the original faulty compound.
Sometimes weird things happen like opening up a compound in it’s own timeline, amending it , returning to the main project and finding some, not all, of the changes have not been reflected in the compound clip.
I really like compound clips and just wish the whole caboodle worked properly. They are a bit like a Russian doll, a master compound can contain smaller compounds etc etc.
As well as visually tidying up a complex timeline they are really great for ganging audio clips for mix downs prior to finishing a project.
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[Tom Wolsky] “I guess you need to use the application the way it’s designed to work.”
As far as I’m concerned, I am. The problem is that the added effect is self-contained and therefore rather limited in its usefulness.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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[Jeremy Garchow] “After making a compound in the event and editing that into the Project”
Making a Compound Clip in the Event is not the same as Open in Timeline of a clip by itself.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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[Oliver Peters] “Making a Compound Clip in the Event is not the same as Open in Timeline of a clip by itself.”
Um, Duh?
What I’m saying is I make a compound of the clip(s) I want to effect in the Event first before starting to edit a master clip in it’s own timeline, I then open that compound in timeline. You can add those compounds to Project, and break apart at anytime, keeping editable effects.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “You can add those compounds to Project, and break apart at anytime, keeping editable effects”
Yes, I know that. If that’s the only way it works then there’s no point in having an “Open In Timeline” function for a clip. By extension that is a completely stupid design. At this point I consider it a bug, because that’s certainly an oversight as far as I’m concerned.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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So you see my um duh and raise me a touché?
It seemed weird that you can edit master clips like that. Not sure about an oversight, or some sort of screwy function.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “It seemed weird that you can edit master clips like that”
You’ve been able to do that all along in FCP legacy. Maybe since 1.0. That’s how I apply ALEXA LUT filters to source footage. When you cut these clips into a sequence, the filter is there and can be removed or adjusted.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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I got into trouble awhile ago because I opened a master clip in timeline mode, applied the loudness modification to a couple of the tracks, put some markers on the master clip, then editing the altered master clip into my timeline. I watched my project size get exponentially larger with every edit.
When you make changes to a clip inside the timeline mode, I suspect that FCPX starts treating it like a sequence or a compound clip instead of a clip, and I imagine that multiplies the amount of data it requires to keep track of it.
I believe it’s better to put five clips in the timeline and apply an effect to them than to apply the effect inside the clip in timeline view before you start editing.
I have vowed never to do anything inside a master clip. I may open a master clip and set individual volumes to each audio track in the clip, but I’m leary of doing much more than that.
In FCP7 I can nest a sequence, chop it up and sprinkle it in my timeline, and when I change the original sequence, it changes every iteration of it in my timeline.
Is there anything like that in FCX?
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