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One of a thousand posts with some 10.2 info….
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[Helmut Kobler] “I noticed the faster performance as well,”
Thanks Helmut, I was really wondering about that. Glad to hear it’s improved and look forward to downloading it soon.
[Helmut Kobler] “Where are the high standards Apple used to have?”
This is a good question : [
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I haven’t seen a BM camera in the wild. “
I haven’t either.
Every time I turn around somebody has the c300
and now with that c300 mark II for 16k I expect to see even more of them.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I haven’t seen a BM camera in the wild. We are full service production, and hire a smattering of DPs, I don’t know anyone that uses it is all I’m saying.”
I know a handful of folks who use BMD cameras for corporate work, including me from time to time. But these cameras seem to be more popular with indie filmmakers. Even then, I think most people shoot Prores though. I think you might see greater uptake of the Ursa Mini. If the 4.6k model ships on time with few issues, I think it has the potential to dominate it’s niche.
[Jeremy Garchow] ” I don’t know how high on the list CinemaDNG is. It seems like Blackmagic could be able to write their own import plugin and codec, just like Red does, but who knows?”
Cinema DNG is an open standard though. It seems weird to my that Apple doesn’t support it.
Shawn
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[TImothy Auld] “I went to a demo at NAB today and I could easily see FCPX becoming very popular with ad agencies and even in the TV promo world.”
Not at NAB but seeing exactly this as well. Dig through a lot of the PR static the other two “A”‘s are putting out and one can see X gaining a lot of ground.
[TImothy Auld] “The big question is, as it always is in a business environment, will Apple all of the sudden decide to bail?”
Then I guess you are left with Premiere. Sigh.
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Scott Witthaus
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[Ronny Courtens] “I had removed the PDZK plugin because it was causing conflicts when importing F-55 footage. So the tests were done without the plugin. We are getting Leave Files in Place when importing from card (XDCAM HD 422 MXF) and we can work with MXF as we did before. Only faster now.”
Ronny, any chance you can hit me up offline?
editstation at gmail
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[Shawn Miller] “But these cameras seem to be more popular with indie filmmakers”
So is FCPX popular with indie film makers, and does that make up a bulk of Apple’s users, do you think?
[Shawn Miller] “Cinema DNG is an open standard though. It seems weird to my that Apple doesn’t support it.”
MXF is an open source standard, too. It took FOREVA for Apple to support MXF. I think that if BM really wanted to, they could write an importer and make it happen. Instead, they are writing their own edit and color correction tool with full support.
And by the way, just for the record, most people I talk to around town, and the people that they talk to, are going with Pr CC. Everyone looks at me like I’m that guy that actually likes FCPX. It’s allright, i can take it. 🙂
I do feel like part of the motivation is from a comfort zone of an easier transition from the Legend of FCP, which is understandable. Colorists, the pros, are moving away from Resolve it seems, and going to Baselight. I get the sense that some of them are kinda pissed/unsure about the acquisition of DaVinci by decklink, inc.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “[Shawn Miller] “But these cameras seem to be more popular with indie filmmakers”
So is FCPX popular with indie film makers, and does that make up a bulk of Apple’s users, do you think?”
Yes, I see a lot of FCPX users on the BMD forums. I get the sense that most of them are debayering their raw footage in Resolve though. Lightroom seems to be a popular option for doing this as well.
[Jeremy Garchow] “MXF is an open source standard, too. It took FOREVA for Apple to support MXF. I think that if BM really wanted to, they could write an importer and make it happen. Instead, they are writing their own edit and color correction tool with full support.”
Yeah… truthfully, I thought that was strange too…. that and image sequences, seem like odd things to leave out support for.
I don’t disagree that Blackmagic could probably write a cDNG importer for FCPX… but so could Digital Bolex or Kinefinity. But why would they do that? Apple has way more engineering resources than any of them.
[Jeremy Garchow] “And by the way, just for the record, most people I talk to around town, and the people that they talk to, are going with Pr CC. Everyone looks at me like I’m that guy that actually likes FCPX. It’s allright, i can take it. :)”
lol – I sympathize completely. I was using Vegas years before a lot of editors even knew what it was… it didn’t do a lot for my street cred. 🙂
Shawn
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[Shawn Miller] “it didn’t do a lot for my street cred. :-)”
Well, shoot. Street cred’s all we have in the post game! hahaha!
[Shawn Miller] “I don’t disagree that Blackmagic could probably write a cDNG importer for FCPX… but so could Digital Bolex or Kinefinity. But why would they do that? Apple has way more engineering resources than any of them.”
It’s true, but that’s like saying Adobe should write all their own filter plugins and not rely on third parties.
There’s an actual camera importer API that Apple has created. There’s a new format that comes out nearly every day. I can see Apple’s stance. Avid has somewhat offloaded this responsibility too, with AMA.
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[Shawn Miller] “that and image sequences, seem like odd things to leave out support for. “
Is the BMD workflow DNG image sequences, or is there some kind of container?
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Well, shoot. Street cred’s all we have in the post game! hahaha!”
No doubt. 🙂
[Jeremy Garchow] ”
It’s true, but that’s like saying Adobe should write all their own filter plugins and not rely on third parties.There’s an actual camera importer API that Apple has created. There’s a new format that comes out nearly every day. I can see Apple’s stance. Avid has somewhat offloaded this responsibility too, with AMA.”
I see your point. Still, it does seem odd for Apple to depend on a direct competitor to add support for an open format. If the BMD cameras shot in TIFF sequences, would you feel the same way?
Shawn
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