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  • One good thing about X

    Posted by Scott Sheriff on June 24, 2011 at 2:14 am

    If it gets discontinued a year or so down the road, you will only be out $300, and not $1,300 or $999 like others are.

    Scott Sheriff
    Director
    https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com

    I have a system, it has stuff in it, and stuff hooked to it. I have a camera, it can record stuff. I read the manuals, and know how to use this stuff and lots of other stuff too.
    You should be suitably impressed…

    “If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair

    David Roth weiss replied 12 years, 11 months ago 5 Members · 13 Replies
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  • Bret Williams

    June 24, 2011 at 3:11 am

    So far it costs $100 more than my fcs3 upgrade was – so I don’t see the point.

  • Chris Harlan

    June 24, 2011 at 3:27 am

    It has better audio meters. You can’t move them around, but they aren’t those absurdly skinny things any more.

  • Scott Sheriff

    June 24, 2011 at 3:51 am

    [Chris Harlan] “It has better audio meters. You can’t move them around, but they aren’t those absurdly skinny things any more.”

    FYI, there are a bunch of free plugins for 6-7 for meters. Bigger, analog, digital, lots of different flavors.

    Scott Sheriff
    Director
    https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com

    I have a system, it has stuff in it, and stuff hooked to it. I have a camera, it can record stuff. I read the manuals, and know how to use this stuff and lots of other stuff too.
    You should be suitably impressed…

    “If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair

  • Chris Harlan

    June 24, 2011 at 4:36 am

    Really? I didn’t know that! Got a name or a link?

  • Matt Callac

    June 24, 2011 at 7:10 am

    [Scott Sheriff] “If it gets discontinued a year or so down the road, you will only be out $300, and not $1,300 or $999 like others are.

    Scott Sheriff
    Director
    https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com

    how would you be “out” any money. Did you not make any money off running the software? If you made more than $999 from your use of FCS you got a return on your investment.

    -mattyc

  • Scott Sheriff

    June 24, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    [Chris Harlan] “Really? I didn’t know that! Got a name or a link?”

    Here’s one
    https://www.coremelt.com/products/coremeltfree.html

    Check out VeeYou at the bottom of the list.
    I had another one bookmarked, but the link is dead.

    Scott Sheriff
    Director
    https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com

    I have a system, it has stuff in it, and stuff hooked to it. I have a camera, it can record stuff. I read the manuals, and know how to use this stuff and lots of other stuff too.
    You should be suitably impressed…

    “If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair

  • Chris Harlan

    June 24, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    Cool. Thanks!

  • Scott Sheriff

    June 24, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    [Matt Callac] “how would you be “out” any money. Did you not make any money off running the software? If you made more than $999 from your use of FCS you got a return on your investment.”

    I know you’re one of the apple certified apologists on this forum, and I was half tempted to just ignore this, but since you asked.

    Not even considering the substantial investment in apple hardware, I paid $1,300 for a piece of software. Besides the software itself, part of what I’m paying for is service, support and communication.
    An example is FCS3 was $999 for new users or $299 for previous FCS owners. Now that option to purchase that upgrade has been removed without warning.
    Something else I paid for. The Pro Aps update has been removed from the apple web site, again without notice.
    Another thing I paid for. FCS was advertised as a professional level product. Professional companies don’t discontinue products without proper notice.
    I have worked in broadcast TV since ’81. In that time I have seen plenty of hardware discontinued. With the exception of companies that just went broke, I have never seen something like this happen. It is just not acceptable. GVG, Ampex, CMX , Sony and companies at that level would usually notify customers of discontinuance of production and/or support well in advance of the actual event. And discontinued products were still supported for quite some time. And when that time was up, advance notice was given. Apples cloak and dagger methods are far, far from professional. When did having to rely on rumor sites for information become acceptable?
    The kool-aid drinking fanboys need to watch ‘The Dog Whisperer’ with Ceasar Millan. They would learn that when you reward bad behavior, you just get more of it. You may be as giddy as a school girl on prom night right now, but you need to look at apples past behavior. Because if you do that, you will see your what the future relationship is going to be like. They dumped Shake, Final Cut Server, Xserve, Final Cut Express, and of course Final Cut Studio without warning. They drug their feet on updates and kept the customers in the dark.
    What makes you think you will be treated any differently? Because you spent a whopping $300 on an ap that apple will now suddenly start diligently updating X every six months and keeping the users in the loop?
    In your dreams.
    If past performance is a predictor of the future, I hope you love what you have now, and are not counting on some nebulous future update they may never come.

    Scott Sheriff
    Director
    https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com

    I have a system, it has stuff in it, and stuff hooked to it. I have a camera, it can record stuff. I read the manuals, and know how to use this stuff and lots of other stuff too.
    You should be suitably impressed…

    “If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair

  • Matt Callac

    June 24, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    [Scott Sheriff] “Not even considering the substantial investment in apple hardware, I paid $1,300 for a piece of software. Besides the software itself, part of what I’m paying for is service, support and communication.
    An example is FCS3 was $999 for new users or $299 for”

    You’re still skirting the issue. You may have paid whatever amount for the computer+software, But you aren’t “out” that money you invested in the software hardware UNLESS you got NO return on investment. If you used your system to make a living….you got a return on your investment. Furthermore, your current FCP still works Just as well as it did last week. So you still have a working edit system, Hence, you aren’t “out” any money. All investments in Good’s have a shelf life (depreciation). That’s to be expected. Does apple’s current behavior significantly affect the shelf life of the goods you’ve purchased from them? Most likely not (in my view) but partly that’s still to be seen.

    Personally I don’t care what people do…It’s up to them. I don’t have any financial ties to any company or software. I work at a post house, I don’t own it. It only helps me in the long run to be able to adapt to new platforms.

    YES apple Screwed up by Naming this product Version X (10) in Final Cut Pro when it’s an entirely new product.
    YES their secrecy about everything Sucks terribly.
    YES They shouldn’t have immediately pulled FCS 3 and support.

    I”m by no mean’s a fanboy, and actually sent a bitching email to a friend of mine two weeks ago about how apple’s really been pissing me off lately. But i’m trying to stay somewhat rational about things, and untill Apple comes out and says. “We don’t care about Creative Profesionals because we just want to sell as many units of our software as possible,” I’ll still be hopefull that this Application is the future foundation for NLE’s.

    -mattyc

  • Scott Sheriff

    June 24, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    [Matt Callac] “Does apple’s current behavior significantly affect the shelf life of the goods you’ve purchased from them?”

    I don’t know why this is so hard to understand.
    Yes. And for the reasons I just stated, and more.

    Actually I do know why this is so hard for you to understand, but I’m trying to use some decorum.

    Scott Sheriff
    Director
    https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com

    I have a system, it has stuff in it, and stuff hooked to it. I have a camera, it can record stuff. I read the manuals, and know how to use this stuff and lots of other stuff too.
    You should be suitably impressed…

    “If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair

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