On Faders and Mixing (NLEs are DAWs)

[Lance Bachelder]

Steve and Charlie – have either one of you had a live demo of Resolve 11? If it’s stable its gonna be huge. Remember its FREE! And the $999 version has workgroup features that we’ve all dreamed about. For those who love FCPX but still wish it had things like tracks, an audio mixer and better collaborative tools it may be the answer. And it may be the first cross-platform NLE to truly make both Windows and Mac users happy.

If you love FCPX as is, it will simply be an enhancement to your workflow with true round-tripping. Maybe the first release of 11 won’t be there but the writing is on the wall – BMD is serious about this thing.

Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Downtown Long Beach, California
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[David Mathis]

This will be huge and now wondering what impact it will have on those that are thinking about signing up for Adobe CC, from my opinion it could cause some competition.

You would have Final Cut Pro X for editing, Motion for motion graphics along with some compositing and Resolve for color grading. Someone could be running Windows others OS X, to me this is going to have a positive impact.

[Charlie Austin]

[Lance Bachelder] “Steve and Charlie – have either one of you had a live demo of Resolve 11? If it’s stable its gonna be huge”

I haven’t, but I’m really looking forward to it. I’ve had a bit of a back and forth with some folks at BMD and it sounds promising. I’m more interested in using it to enhance my X workflow as I’ve really gotten comfortable cutting in X. I do use other NLE’s fairly regularly and fixed tracks drive me nut now. That said, I think R11 is going to be a great addition to the NLE stable.

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[Lance Bachelder]

I agree if it’s a good NLE it could really hurt Adobe and Avid more than Apple – most folks have already paid their $299 for FCPX so even if they completely stop using it it won’t effete Apple. I’m a CC subscriber and would have no prob downgrading to Photoshop only subscription if editing in Resolve is as good as I hope…

Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Downtown Long Beach, California
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[Scott Witthaus]

[Charlie Austin] “That said, I think R11 is going to be a great addition to the NLE stable.”

Agreed. I will enjoy having R11 as a compliment to X when there is CC that X and plugins can’t accomplish (which doesn’t happen much on properly shot footage). But X will do the “heavy-lifting editorial”.

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
Professor, VCU Brandcenter

[Mitch Ives]

[Steve Connor] “I honestly think people may be holding out a bit too much hope for the next version of Resolve.”

I think you’re thinking too literal. What has people’s attention is that R11 has accidentally done a lot of things better than FCP X has on purpose. People see R11 as just the first step… and a big one. OTOH, Apple’s pace of development on FCP X could best be described as glacial.

That’s why I think there is so much excitement on R11… everyone is hoping it lights a fire under Apple’s a**.

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Michael Gissing]

I can tell you that doing audio on FCP7, Premiere or Resolve is frustrating compared to Fairlight with faders and its architecture for clips, stacking, tracks, busses and grouping and plugins at so many levels. I have repeatedly said that NLEs would be far better with some of these DAW features.

Dialog, music and FX are ridden like an instrument with faders, something a mouse or clip level system doesn’t do and without track or bus based plugins NLEs are rough and good for offline only in my opinion. Vegas and Premiere do have bussing and track based levbels and plugins but without being driven by dedicated controllers and motorised faders they are still mouse clunky.

[Walter Soyka]

[Walter Soyka] “I think that difference is in the philosophy of the toolset, as you noted above. Aren’t NLEs optimized for serial operation and capable of parallel operation, whereas DAWs are optimized for parallel operation and capable of serial operation?”

If the above is true — are DAWs more analogous to compositors than NLEs?

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
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