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OK, can anyone confirm this problem with 5.1.2?
5.1.2 appears to have trouble using Batch List imported clips to capture, at the very least, JVC 24P 720 HDV clips. It doesn’t have the same problem with good old DV. It doesn’t fail to capture, but it captures incorrectly and changes the clip’s timecode! If it was a problem with the batch list or the clips, it wouldn’t work to capture them from DV tape.
Here’s the method:
Using a BR50U and 720HDV24P footage. export a batch list of several clips logged clips (captured or not makes no difference). Open it in Excel or somesuch. Save it as tab delimited, making no changes. Go back to FCP, import the batch list. Attempt to batch capture it in 720P24; uncheck logged clips settings. It will capture only the first frame of each clip.
Take the HDV tape out. Set the deck for DV output and insert any old DV tape with timecode numbers that will match the ones in the batch list (doesn’t have to be 24P or even NDF, FCP will read’em and use’m either way). Change your Easy Setup to DV NTSC (or PAL if that’s your bag). Attempt Batch Capture of the same clips; uncheck logged clips settings. Capture is flawless.
I’ve tried this on two different stations now several times. Batch List imports that have been opened in Excel and are subsequently attempted to be captured in 720P24 HDV are captured incorrectly. This is a huge problem if your workflow involves onlining clips from Batch List spreadsheets logged somewhere else. Again, the process for this we’ve been doing since FCP 1 and it still works here for DV capture. I can’t speak to whether or not the same issue exists for Sony or Canon HDV capture, but it would be wise for someone who can to check it.
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Hi Chawla,
Does this only happen with batch lists? Does it also happen when batch capturing items from the browser? That would be bad. What about XML export of a batch list, will that capture correctly?
All the best,
Tom
Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 2 Editing Workshop” Class on Demand “Complete Training for FCP5” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy” DVDs
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Hey Tom, nope the initial batching of clips logged in Log and Capture directly seems to work fine. the problem only seems to crop up with stuff brought in from Batch Lists. At first I thought maybe it was because some columns were missing in the spreadsheet (technically FCP only needs Name Reel Media Start and End), but it even does it if every column is there and and you don’t change the spreadsheet in Excel. XML also seems fine and captures no problem. If I could make spreadsheets with Excel I’d be all set. Looks like I’m going to have to find a copy paste intern!
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Thanks Chawla.
All the best,
Tom
Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 2 Editing Workshop” Class on Demand “Complete Training for FCP5” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy” DVDs
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I’m working with the Kona 3 and the Panasonic D5 (HD3700B), OSX 10.4.7,FCP 5.0.4, G5DP 2.3 8GIG RAM, X-RAID 3.0 TB
I’m having a problem with FCP changing my logged clip TC after Batch Capture in 720p 59.94 10bit Uncompressed. This problem only occurs in 720p mode, 1080i is just fine.
While capturing 720p 59.94 from the D5
In FCP when I log a clip at:
01:20:00:00 in
01:20:30:00 out
Does this sound like a similar problem to yours??? I posted this last month and still have not resolved this issue, I’m not having any issue with Lists from Excel, but I am having problems with the logged TC changing after capture in 720p only, I don’t have the problem with any other format SD or HD. If this is what is happening to you as well, you’re the first person to give any sort of insight, and it would seem that Apple is having some serious problems with 720p. Thanks, Ted (FYI: I just upgraded to 5.1.2 this evning and am eager to see if my issue still exists, (but it did in 5.1.1) I’ll give an update tomorrow.)———
from Kona Forum https://forums.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/new_read_post.cgi?forumid=98&postid=860407
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After Batch Capture is complete the clip shows up in the browser as:
01:19:55:05 in
01:20:25:05 outFCP is effectively changing the logged timecode of the clip. I’m capturing with burned in TC and the Burned in TC is Frame accurate, but why is FCP changing the clip’s TC?
In all my experience with FCP I have never encountered this issue and I am completely puzzled. I’ve contacted AJA and they have said that they do not know of this issue and were puzzled also. I am using a Tri-Level Sync and everything seems to be getting proper reference.
There is no reason why FCP should be changing my logged clip settings. (right?) Also, I tried a test where I made the clip that came in with the bad timecode offline, and then ran a Batch Capture again, and it changes the logged timecode even further. I’ve tried a variety of Device Control settings playing with frame offset etc with all having the exact same numeric result (see TC above).
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I only have seen this issue when someone changes the capture or playback offset in the device control presets
I will test to D5 later this week, and post my results.gary adcock
Studio37
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I have a feeling your issue is not the same, unless you are only getting a single frame capture. The reason the master clip’s tc is changing in my issue is because after only capturing one frame of the logged clip, FCP stops capturing and seals up the media file, thus changing the media end from from its logged setting to what it ended up from a one frame capture. Problem of course is that that means a master clip gets changed without my consent!
I can tell its an FCP action too, because undo takes it back to offline clip with the original Media End tc value.
And I don’t have this problem EXCEPT with Batch lists, meaning the 720P part isn’t likely the issue, though I can’t honestly say what is. good luck with the D5 thang, Adcock is on the case, it’ll sort out.
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HI Chawla,
from what I understand, 1080p24HDV and 720p24HDV are actually based on 29.97 timecode. So what you want to do is change your easy setup to 1080i60 or 720p30, import the batch list, then switch your easy setup back to 720p24 or 1080p24, then do your capture.
Let me know if that works for you, but that is what makes sense in my tiny brain. 🙂
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Thanks Gary, Let me know if you come up with anything.
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Actually, would that it were that easy, but Batch List imports don’t tag frame rates unless they are in the batch list columns, and even if they are included there, they are overridden by unchecking logged clip settings in Batch Capture. Changing Easy Setups and for that matter Audio Video Settings prior to importing a Batch List has no effect on the clips imported by the Batch List. The only thing it changes is the erroneous frame rate displayed in the Batch List menu item. Seriously, try it and you’ll see. One of the coolest things about Batch Lists is that its NOT limited to any codec or frame rate. It only requires name reel and timecodes.
If you’re skeptical, try the procedure earlier in the thread and you’ll see. In any event, FCP should not (and indeed does not) operate this way with a Batch List under any other codec, including DVCPRO HD. And for the record, tagged frame or not, 720P24 only has 23.976 TC. There are no extra TC frame numbers to reference under 29.97 or 30 or 60 settings.
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This worked for me. Also, when I do capture now my 720p 24fps content has 29.97 timecode.
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